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post #151 of 219 Old 10-02-2008, 07:07 AM
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Iron Man - Spanish Blu-ray review - Sony Pictures

http://www.zonadvd.com/modules.php?n...content&id=848

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can you please try to match some of this shots (from the Sony Spanish BD) so we can compara PQ?

+1. Would be interesting to know if Sony and Paramount shared the encode.

Blu-ray : 340
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Very interesting, lgans!

Xylon,

can you please try to match some of this shots (from the Sony Spanish BD) so we can compare PQ?

http://www.zonadvd.com/imagenes/anal.../ironman3.html
http://www.zonadvd.com/imagenes/anal.../ironman2.html
http://www.zonadvd.com/imagenes/anal.../ironman1.html
http://www.zonadvd.com/imagenes/anal.../ironman4.html
http://www.zonadvd.com/imagenes/anal.../ironman5.html
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I just got my copy in the post, looks great to me and very film like
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Nice thread Xylon

I watched Iron Man (BD) on Wednesday night and was blown away by the audio. The PQ was top notch as well. Very happy with this release in terms of story, characters, PQ, AQ. Looking at these pics it is very obvious to me that as more and more people get exposed to Blu-Ray they will buy in when the price is right.
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Xylon, have you made any caps of the in suit HUD ?
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Xylon can you post a cap of the Captain America shield?

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Where is the shield in the movie ?
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Xylon, have you made any caps of the in suit HUD ?

Not yet. Will go up soon.
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Where is the shield in the movie ?

When Pepper walks in on Tony trying to get out of the suit, it's on a table in the background.
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Do the majority of DVD's have macroblocking? I can't remember any more but seeing this and TDK.. is there any reason to believe the dumbing down of DVD transfers intentionally?

Does Wall E having blocking? I have Nemo on DVD and I think it does have a little but I haven't fired it up in a long time, might have just been banding.
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Do the majority of DVD's have macroblocking? I can't remember any more but seeing this and TDK.. is there any reason to believe the dumbing down of DVD transfers intentionally?

Does Wall E having blocking? I have Nemo on DVD and I think it does have a little but I haven't fired it up in a long time, might have just been banding.

You're wrong.

It's not intentional, because most people agree Wall-E on DVD looks amazing. It's as close to HD as you're going to get from DVD -no macroblocking at all.

As far as I'm concerned, Wall-E on DVD is an A+ reference title.
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You're wrong.

It's not intentional, because most people agree Wall-E on DVD looks amazing. It's as close to HD as you're going to get from DVD -no macroblocking at all.

As far as I'm concerned, Wall-E on DVD is an A+ reference title.

It isn't my theory, just a question as I read somebody elses theory in TDK thread who believes that to be the case. Granted some people are complaining about the blu-ray version as well so I don't bite on the theory that they would dumb down the DVD version considering the blu-ray version isn't perfect either.

Good to hear no blocking on the Wall-E DVD.
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I think the caps of the Ironman DVD do look OK, certianly much better than what I saw of Casino Royale and King Kong back in the days (have not compared much since then).

As Blu-Ray is the preferred format for those who want quality I would not be surprised if the studios sometimes take it a but easy with the DVD encodes

Other than that: Great Caps, great looking Blu-Ray disc and a short thread. No complaints about this one I guess but worth to see it rise to the top again as the PQ and AQ is very nice
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Excellent grabs. I love the way the homemade suit (in Afganistan?) looks like IM originally did way back in the day. Actually enjoyed this better than TDK.

"I knew you'd say that"...*BLAM!*
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To me, the DVD looks really bad (not how a normal DVD looks), and the Blu Ray looks just a bit better than a proper quality DVD. I am beginning to think that I shall stick with DVD from now on, until Blu Ray gets better. I own this Iron Man Blu Ray, and I was very disappointed with it (it's grainy). I bought 3 Blue Rays this week... I'm not happy.. I hate grain. THE END. You movie buffs are destroying my entertainment value.

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... I'm not happy.. I hate grain. THE END. You movie buffs are destroying my entertainment value.

How about generally not buying movies that were shot on film ? 35mm movies will have grain structure most of the time, it is the way they are. Their directors intended the movies to look this way and if you don't like it feel free not to watch them or use a video processor/player/scaler that reduces the grain structure.

And you might want to check out the artistic intent thread - but for you it would be better to use it the other way around - check out the avoid at all costs titles and maybe the ones shot digitally but avoid the recommended ones - almost all of them have good old film grain
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the Blu Ray looks just a bit better than a proper quality DVD. I am beginning to think that I shall stick with DVD from now on, until Blu Ray gets better. I own this Iron Man Blu Ray, and I was very disappointed with it (it's grainy). I bought 3 Blue Rays this week... I'm not happy.. I hate grain. THE END. You movie buffs are destroying my entertainment value.

Oy.

Something must be outta whack in your line, the gear, the peepers, something, dunno, but Iron Man looks INCRED on a properly calibrated rig, THE END.

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Ignore Pincho, he was saying the same stuff in the Dark Knight thread. He just doesn t like grain so don't get him started. (I'm not trying to pick on him, I just want to avoid the grain is good/bad debate that has been waged on nearly every thread going). I personally think this one is one of the better looking blu's I own.
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is this a joke?

and is your signature some sort of anti-letterbox statement?
really bizarre . . . .

I don't like black bars after seeing King Kong Imax 16.9 version. I don't like grain. I think Patton looks good, and it got a bad post on here, and Iron Man gets a good post, and it looks bad. Now the DVD standards are dropping to get Blu Ray accepted. I am getting annoyed with the whole thing altogether. Ok I can see how Patton is reduced in detail, BUT BUT BUT.. get rid of the grain at least, and keep the detail as well. When people say... I want to see it how it looked in the cinema.. it sounds almost like a religion, where some none reasoning like.. have faith in grain is taking place.

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I'm not happy.. I hate grain. THE END. You movie buffs are destroying my entertainment value.

Here you go.




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I know it's smooth, and waxy, but grain is the opposite end of an unwanted structure.. so to me, the waxy is slightly better. Plus.. it's possible to get a similar clean look with all of the detail as well. Skin isn't smooth, and skin isn't grainy.. so what's the difference?

What's that movie anyway... I'm tempted to buy it.

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I know it's smooth, and waxy, but grain is the opposite end of an unwanted structure.. so to me, the waxy is slightly better. Plus.. it's possible to get a similar clean look with all of the detail as well. Skin isn't smooth, and skin isn't grainy.. so what's the difference?

You are watching film, not reality. Grain is part of film.
No denoising algorithm is perfect at distinguishing grain from high frequency detail (and frankly that's something best left to one's personal preference, ie, the TV settings)
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Is it supposed to look like that, or was there no choice? I have seen a lot of paintings on canvas, and the canvas has a weave, but I have never seen a whole bunch of artists painting on sandpaper of different densities. When an artist is actually artistic, he creates a thicker coat of paint as a texture... this film grain is just there already. Anyway I though the site was for Audio, and Visual reference, so maybe I was mistaken. It's for video noise worshippers. Maybe on the audio side you want the sound to be crackly too?

The grainy look is simply not as bad a thing as you make it out to be, sorry, and I'm the first guy to admit - I'm not a grain whore like some around here, seemingly wanting it on EVERYTHING they view, I mean my personal favorite stuff to watch in "HD" happens to be sports, I think it looks stunning as is, its as if you're right on the field/fairway with 'em, but that said, grain on some movies adds the right touch, its the intended look by the creators, and again, its not as "ugly" as you want it to be when actually watching it in REAL TIME vs say starring at a paused screen grab, which of course freezes the grain, causing it to look harsher than it actually is. Its not a bad thing, give it a chance, it WILL grow on you.

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I really like that last comparo shot Xylon posted. All the small clutter on the table really shows how much better the BD is than the DVD.

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