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Excellent AQ. The AQ actually may actually rival Transformers or At Worlds End in terms of dynamics and enveloping sound I love it. In terms of PQ its very good, sharp and detailed. Nothing to complain about.

Don't take my word for it maybe screenshots may convince you.

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Wax-free and unburnished. Nice! Love the freckles Gwynneth.
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Holy macroblocking in the fire on the DVD

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Wow.

It's ridiculous how much better Blu Ray HD is over standard DVD. As someone using a projector and a big image I'm seeing these types of differences too. Hopefully Blu Ray will continue to grow in acceptance. It would be a very sad thing for home theater if DVD were settled on as "good enough."
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Is the PQ on the DVD typical of most recent releases? It looks almost too soft...Maybe because the BD kicks ass.
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Holy macroblocking in the fire on the DVD


Dude! Wrong franchise!

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Wow.

It's ridiculous how much better Blu Ray HD is over standard DVD. As someone using a projector and a big image I'm seeing these types of differences too. Hopefully Blu Ray will continue to grow in acceptance. It would be a very sad thing for home theater if DVD were settled on as "good enough."

A couple of years ago DVD transfers were much better than today's DVD of Iron Man. Had Attack of the Clones or Lord of the Rings had this poor of transfer ...
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AQ is Fantastic in the movie but I was left slightly "wanting more punch" from the PQ.
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AQ is Fantastic in the movie but I was left slightly "wanting more punch" from the PQ.

Please quantify "slightly 'wanting more punch.'" What the hell does that even mean?

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AQ is Fantastic in the movie but I was left slightly "wanting more punch" from the PQ.

the only thing I wanted was more movie And more scenes with the dress that had no back
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AQ is Fantastic in the movie but I was left slightly "wanting more punch" from the PQ.

I kind of despise acronyms like "pop" or "punch". All I care about is an accurate picture.

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Does anyone really want more detail of Gwynneth's freckles?

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A couple of years ago DVD transfers were much better than today's DVD of Iron Man. Had Attack of the Clones or Lord of the Rings had this poor of transfer ...

Maybe they're doing this to make BD look better?
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Does anyone really want more detail of Gwynneth's freckles?

Um, yes! Her freckles are amazing.
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A couple of years ago DVD transfers were much better than today's DVD of Iron Man. Had Attack of the Clones or Lord of the Rings had this poor of transfer ...

So DVD transfers are now in general worse than they used to be?

I'm unaware of any evidence that is the case, nor any reason why it would be the case.
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Great shots Xylon,

Personally, I don't know how anyone could ever watch SD DVD again. This is a huge improvement.

Iron Man Blu Ray is #1 on Amazon right now, so I guess I am not the only one thinking that.
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The DVD screenshots look very bad. The sharpness looks maxed out, especially around the MK1 suit. I agree that DVD looks bad but never this bad. I believe this was done to make the Blu-ray look even better. How about some realistic DVD screens with propper picture settings?
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So DVD transfers are now in general worse than they used to be?

I'm unaware of any evidence that is the case, nor any reason why it would be the case.

I agree with the statement that DVD transfers are being dumbed down....I noticed this first on Harry Potter and The Order Of The Phoenix.....Terrible DVD transfer and seemingly no reason for it to be so bad other than the HD edition was also out at the same time.

Iron Man does look very good and sound good too.....As i already said in another thread.
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Please quantify "slightly 'wanting more punch.'" What the hell does that even mean?

Oh sorry about that...that was a pretty generic term...I guess i meant that some films have "look" where the images seem to have an almost 3D appearance. This one to me looked "flat".
Sorry if this explanation is still not what you were looking for but it was only an opinion on my part.
Also I am sure that most of you have Home Theaters that run circles around mine so its okay if you think Im nuts...lol
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What players were used for these shots?
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The DVD screenshots look very bad. The sharpness looks maxed out, especially around the MK1 suit. I agree that DVD looks bad but never this bad. I believe this was done to make the Blu-ray look even better. How about some realistic DVD screens with propper picture settings?

All DVD looks bad. Sd always looks like crap.

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Not to get too OT but it would be interesting to see some pix of the best looking DVD's vs the BD counterpart. If anyone has links maybe you can post them here.

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All DVD looks bad. Sd always looks like crap.

Not on my Pioneer plasma they don't...But they're not as good as BD.
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Not to get too OT but it would be interesting to see some pix of the best looking DVD's vs the BD counterpart. If anyone has links maybe you can post them here.



Not on my Pioneer plasma they don't...But they're not as good as BD.

This site has much of what you want.....I used to think the criterion edition of The Rock looked great....Boy was i wrong as it has so much EE in it and the Blu Ray is mostly fantastic but for some minor EE.

Having said all that i do firmly believe some of the distributors are dumbing down their DVD releases and not doing as good a job on them as they could
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Sorry to get off Iron Man for a second there.....I loved how you could really make out the freckles on Gwyneth Paltrow in the Blu Ray release.....Robert Downey Jr was just perfect in the main role too.....The detail was very good in most scenes.
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The DVD screenshots look very bad. The sharpness looks maxed out, especially around the MK1 suit. I agree that DVD looks bad but never this bad. I believe this was done to make the Blu-ray look even better. How about some realistic DVD screens with propper picture settings?

So now we have conspiracies to make DVD fail

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The DVD screenshots look very bad. The sharpness looks maxed out, especially around the MK1 suit. I agree that DVD looks bad but never this bad. I believe this was done to make the Blu-ray look even better. How about some realistic DVD screens with propper picture settings?

Knock yourself out, Champ. You want to post some DVD caps, you go right ahead.

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All DVD looks bad. Sd always looks like crap.

I will have to disagree with you. Some DVD's out there like Star Wars and the Pixar films look pretty good with an upconverting player.
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I will have to disagree with you. Some DVD's out there like Star Wars and the Pixar films look pretty good with an upconverting player.

I used to think they looked good when I watched DVDs and upconverted them in the early 2000's. But after watching HD for over seven years now, all SD looks like crap to me compared to HD content. There just isn't any detail on any DVD. I've been using scalers for many years now and they can only do so much.
The detail just isn't there.

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