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Which one is the DVD and which one is the Blu-ray? I fail to see a difference?
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Just kidding of course. And they say Blu-ray is dead!
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The difference is not that great like seen with Hot Fuzz or HTWWW.

Blu-ray : 340
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The difference is not that great like seen with Hot Fuzz or HTWWW.

The difference is nothing short of astounding.
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I've always liked baraka especially the timelapse stuff. I ordered the blu from deepdiscount the other day with 25% code nytimes and I think it was free shipping too. should get mine any day now.

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When you watched the disc, did you note EE or just ringing?

As mentioned by someone above, many people use the terms interchangably. That's not technically correct, but at this point it's an argument of semantics.

I would describe what I see as ringing. I am not convinced that it was applied deliberately through a sharpening algorithm. It's probably a consequence of some other aspect of the transfer, the downsampling from the 8k scan, or something else unintentional. Nonetheless, it's there.

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The stills confirm sharpening/ringing as expected. Xylon, please add the still with the sitting woman in blue dress and white haloe on the back. This is an example that is clearly not ringing from downscaling but applied sharpening.
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The difference is not that great like seen with Hot Fuzz or HTWWW.


IMHO the caps confirm that this is a first rate, but not "revolutionary" release (as advertised ) Personally I prefer "How the West Was Won" regarding definition.
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Xylon, thank you for confirming the obnoxious DNR on this title.

After the utter rediculousness that ruined the other thread (ie "screenshots aren't valid", "no DNR or EE", must be your eyesight or your display, anti-Sony conspiracies, etc) it's refreshing to read an honest opinion from someone who clearly indentifies this destructive unfilmlike filtering AND doesn't give it a pass.

It truly boggles the mind why an ultra-high resolution scan from a 65mm source would need to be filtered and artificially sharpened. Just insane.
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IMHO the caps confirm that this is a first rate, but not "revolutionary" release (as advertised ) Personally I prefer "How the West Was Won" regarding definition.

Having seen it in its entirety, I would say that Baraka is often very good. As you say, it is certainly not "revolutionary" as some claim. I wouldn't call it "first rate" either, as saying so is doing a disservice to the multitude of BD releases that seemingly received a greater amount of proper care. Having said that, I would definitely recommend buying this BD given the overall package.
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Xylon, thank you for confirming the obnoxious DNR on this title.

After the utter rediculousness that ruined the other thread (ie "screenshots aren't valid", "no DNR or EE", must be your eyesight or your display, anti-Sony conspiracies, etc) it's refreshing to read an honest opinion from someone who clearly indentifies this destructive unfilmlike filtering AND doesn't give it a pass.

It truly boggles the mind why an ultra-high resolution scan from a 65mm source would need to be filtered and artificially sharpened. Just insane.

Where exactly did Xylon "confirm obnoxious DNR on this title"?

Are you merely basing this on the screen caps, or something else?

While I do think that those shots of the soldiers look on the smooth side, I don't think that, by itself, proves that DNR was used. Show me a comparison with another source, as Xylon did with Patton, and you will convince me. The comparison with the DVD here doesn't seem to prove DNR.
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In that last screen cap with the picture of the river the sky seems to get darker in the top left hand corner. It looks like a flaw in the film processing to me.
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Where exactly did Xylon "confirm obnoxious DNR on this title"?

Are you merely basing this on the screen caps, or something else?

While I do think that those shots of the soldiers look on the smooth side, I don't think that, by itself, proves that DNR was used. Show me a comparison with another source, as Xylon did with Patton, and you will convince me. The comparison with the DVD here doesn't seem to prove DNR.

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Blu-ray : 340
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The difference is not that great like seen with Hot Fuzz or HTWWW.

I'm simply astonished that anyone could not be impressed with the difference
from the DVD shots. The difference is just amazing - as great as I've ever seen
before.

Very strange....

(And, my God, what DOES it take to impress some people here?)
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i noticed something didn't seem right the first time i saw the pic of the 3 soldiers sure the difference is huge... but an 8K transfer of a 65mm source should look better than this

we aren't impressed because we've seen other films with alot more detail
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Wow at the DNR pic. Unfortunate and totally unnecessary. What are the mastering people thinking
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and, my god, what does it take to impress some people here?

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Have to agree with Xylon on this one. Yes it's sharp and detailed and will impress most, but it simply looks far too processed to be anywhere near perfect to me. Enough so that I prefer the look of most of the good 35mm transfers out there.

I think it's clear when comparing Baraka to HTWWW, which I believe would have a similar total negative size. The latter has incredible detail and sharpness but still manages to look very filmlike, the former does not. In short: to me a disappointment. A nice effort, but given the circumstances, a disappointment nonetheless.
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Have to agree with Xylon on this one. Yes it's sharp and detailed and will impress most, but it simply looks far too processed to be anywhere near perfect to me. Enough so that I prefer the look of most of the good 35mm transfers out there.

I think it's clear when comparing Baraka to HTWWW, which I believe would have a similar total negative size. The latter has incredible detail and sharpness but still manages to look very filmlike, the former does not. In short: to me a disappointment. A nice effort, but given the circumstances, a disappointment nonetheless.

Just for clarification, you watched the actual disc, correct?

I watched HTWWW yesterday, and I agree with you. It was nothing short of amazing. The Smilebox version was extremely cool on my 123" screen.
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I sometimes think I'm in some sort of alternate universe when I come on this forum. I watch one the most visually stunning Blu-ray discs ever and some people here react as if it's one of the all-time worst transfers.
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I sometimes think I'm in some sort of alternate universe when I come on this forum. I watch one the most visually stunning Blu-ray discs ever and some people here react as if it's one of the all-time worst transfers.

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I sometimes think I'm in some sort of alternate universe when I come on this forum.

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Well done Xylon - you chose those caps carefully and imo they leave no doubt that 5 out of 5 and perfection is not what was achieved with Baraka.

Seeing that so much work went into the preparation of this disc and that it was produced in close collaboration with the director itself I am very sure that carelessness or ignorance is not the problem here but that other factors were responsible for the shortcomings we see.

Whatever it is I sure hope that the right people read this and take note, as there are other movies to come that can and should get this Blu-Ray thing right, so far too few transfers of large format titles look as spectacular as they could if treated properly.
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you gotta wonder how some of these peope got their jobs
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i'm simply astonished that anyone could not be impressed with the difference
from the dvd shots. The difference is just amazing - as great as i've ever seen
before.

Very strange....

(and, my god, what does it take to impress some people here?)

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DVD is not the benchmark anymore.

We have seen many examples of how good proper film look can be presented on BD.
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Well done Xylon - you chose those caps carefully and imo they leave no doubt that 5 out of 5 and perfection is not what was achieved with Baraka.

Seeing that so much work went into the preparation of this disc and that it was produced in close collaboration with the director itself I am very sure that carelessness or ignorance is not the problem here but that other factors were responsible for the shortcomings we see.

Whatever it is I sure hope that the right people read this and take note, as there are other movies to come that can and should get this Blu-Ray thing right, so far too few transfers of large format titles look as spectacular as they could if treated properly.

I have yet to see absolutely perfect on BD with non CGI titles, even the best looking highest ranked, top tier titles reviewed by professionals or our resident pros here have some kind of issues even if minor. Maybe they can never get them with current tech to where they are flawless.
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I have yet to see absolutely perfect on BD with non CGI titles, even the best looking highest ranked, top tier titles reviewed by professionals or our resident pros here have some kind of issues even if minor. Maybe they can never get them with current tech to where they are flawless.

Flawless is not really possible. 4:2:0 is not flawless compared to 4:4:4. And compression is not flawless. But at least we can avoid the man made additional problems from (over)filtering. That alone would help considerably.
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