Originally Posted by ILJG
I'm not picking on you, I promise, but this is an unfortunate side-effect of arm-chair encoder quarterbacking.
People who haven't even seen the BD yet are posting things like this. While people are entitled to post about problems they've actually seen, people taking those opinions
and trying to use them as facts before even experiencing the movie is kind of sad. If you want 100% consensus on a "perfect pq/aq title," you'll never get that here, or anywhere, for that matter.
And the usual spec-whores will be out in droves, to jump on the bandwagon at any chance they get when they get the news that an artifact (perceived or otherwise) is even hinted at. You know, those who will NEVER be satisfied until they can watch a movie with their video bitrate meter pinned at 40mbps for the entire movie, the audio bitrate meter pinned at 4 mbps for the entire movie, and with the entire mux somehow totaling the theoretical 54 mbps... and then, and only then, if all of the 50 GIG of the disk is used...since they know better than everyone that it's the bitrate and file size that determine the PQ/AQ of a movie.
Anything less than those specs that will cause "less than perfect PQ/AQ" encode to them....and will result in complaints and screenshot after screenshot of artifacts and their own definitive statements that if the max bitrates and full disc space had been used, the title would then have "perfect PQ/AQ," and how the studio is screwing them until the above encode with maximum bitrate and file size is produced.
I thought the codec choices were funny enough with all this spec-mongering, until someone posted something like "something below 3.5 mbps for audio is lossless lite." (Funny, either something is lossless, or it's not, right?) Another post, which was actually a review, said (paraphrased) "they were concerned about the bit meter only reading 21 and people might find artifacts because of this." It didn't mention any artifacts specifically, or give a time stamp, or even a general idea or impression of a specific kind of artifact, it just said that the bitrate was low and gave the number, so therefore people might see these undefined problems. Seriously, this is what it has come to.
My suggestion? Watch and listen to the movie for yourself. I know it might be REALLY hard to watch it without the bitrate meter...but just for the heck of it....give it a shot.
If you want total agreement on "perfect PQ/AQ," you'll never get it. Even when you have the luxury of a re-encode showing that more bits and disc space are thrown at it, and didn't improve the PQ/AQ (say, like Transformers) because heaven forbid there's such a thing as diminishing returns and that the studios doing the actual encodes might know a little more than the self-appointed experts here, you'll never get a consensus on PQ and AQ that shouldn't even be necessary for YOU to determine what YOU like.