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Look, like I said, feel free to buy and love the heck out of the movie, that's fine, and I'm glad that so many will. But, still, recognize the problems and flaws of something. Heck, even write to WB and tell them you find it inadequate. You can still love the flick even while doing so.

Pretending the people who are vocal about the flaws are nuts doesn't change anything.

I didn't say anyone was nuts. And I will speak up about PQ/AQ I'm not crazy about. I just think judegment should be based on an actual viewing and actual listening, not written reviews on a website and a few screenshots.

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Here is 1 more opinion to throw into the mix, but this one is very positive



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I know some are seeing the PQ issues, but I have often wondered when DNR and EE are used is it possible those that are doing the encodes aren't seeing these issues on their setups or is it the school of thought that they are seeing it and thinks it looks good?
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Here is 1 more opinion to throw into the mix, but this one is very positive



http://forums.highdefdigest.com/blu-...nterested.html

i have the title and I feel he is overhyping it. The Dark Knight is simply a very solid title. I think alot of people are just in love with the film and are grading it higher for that. Wanted blows the dark knight away in pq and aq in my opinion.
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I know some are seeing the PQ issues, but I have often wondered when DNR and EE are used is it possible those that are doing the encodes aren't seeing these issues on their setups or is it the school of thought that they are seeing it and thinks it looks good?

I think you nailed it. Joe Kane has made efforts to convince the authoring studios to use larger monitors. I hope his efforts pay off. Home Theater in the US is evolving to larger screens and the studios need to realize the market is not restricted to just 42" plasmas.
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The standard for HDTV is 3.16 picture heights viewing distance, if you want to sit closer fine, but there are consequences. You see crap you aren't meant to see.
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I know some are seeing the PQ issues, but I have often wondered when DNR and EE are used is it possible those that are doing the encodes aren't seeing these issues on their setups or is it the school of thought that they are seeing it and thinks it looks good?

Probably for the same reason audio mastering engineers have been mastering music really loudly for the last 10 years, to the point where the audio gets squashed... the way perception works, there is a superficial perception that louder sounds better, or that sharper looks better, and most people won't stop and consider the downsides of doing EE processing, or what you lose, they'll simply think the sharper blu-ray looks better, and mass appeal is what these guys go after.
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I think you nailed it. Joe Kane has made efforts to convince the authoring studios to use larger monitors. I hope his efforts pay off. Home Theater in the US is evolving to larger screens and the studios need to realize the market is not restricted to just 42" plasmas.

I know every one with a big screen likes to toot their horn and go "Well on MY SETUP, I can see blah blah blah" but I've never had a problem seeing things on any sized setup. Sure, I see the EE on The Dark Knight on my 60" screen. But I also see it on my 21" computer monitor, and I see it on my lowly 32" 1080i LCD I have in the bedroom. It's just a matter of sitting closer.

Given that, you'd think the technicians would see the issues if they were using any kind of modern display. The only excuse would be if they're on a 20 inch CRT, and I don't think they even make (or ever did make) 20 inch HDTV CRTs.

Not that I think any of that applies to this release, as the level of EE here looks remarkably like what I saw in the IMAX showing. It's obviously debatable whether or not they should have used the IMAX print as a source, but I doubt they applied any extra EE after.
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The standard for HDTV is 3.16 picture heights viewing distance, if you want to sit closer fine, but there are consequences. You see crap you aren't meant to see.

That is BS. Artifacts are artifacts, regardless of viewing distance or screen size.
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That is BS. Artifacts are artifacts, regardless of viewing distance or screen size.

All compressed video has artefacts, it's simply a question of how visible it is. Things like calibration and viewing distance play an important part.
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i have the title and I feel he is overhyping it. The Dark Knight is simply a very solid title. I think alot of people are just in love with the film and are grading it higher for that. Wanted blows the dark knight away in pq and aq in my opinion.

AQ, fine, but for the love of God can we avoid yet again comparing FILM to VIDEO sources?!

It's like complaining that Grand Prix doesn't look as good as Wall-E.

http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?p=185175

Granted large parts of Wanted are indeed film, and it may very well be a film-to-film comparison that your making, but I'm using your post to try and steer this thread from becoming yet another rediculous paean to Crank, et. al.

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I just want to say that all of these screen shots look just fine on my iPhone.

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I just want to say that all of these screen shots look just fine on my iPhone.

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man, judging by these 2 comparison caps, the cropped framing on the BB disc is way better than TDK if you ask me... the framing in the shot of the joker with the mask looks horrible imo
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Just found out my limited edition has just been shipped.beauty!!

Sweet! Same here, tis officially on its way, will be here tuesday, but I was a little greedy, I needed my DK disc to have some company - Tim Robbins and Morgan Freeman are riding shotgun!

I hope TDK looks great on my particular rig (61" LED-DLP) @ 12' and methinks it will. I know some are pointing out the negatives, but c'mon, labeling it "nasty" and what not sounds wrong....prolly sould check out some of the TRULY UGLY titles out there and refresh the peepers as to what bad looking really is. It might not be the new benchmark, but it sure doesn't look horrible to me.

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Sweet! Same here, tis officially on its way, will be here tuesday, but I was a little greedy, I needed my DK disc to have some company - Tim Robbins and Morgan Freeman are riding shotgun!

You, sir, have achieved the rare and coveted "Double Freeman"... and in HD, no less!

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Oh sh!t, didn't even realize, lol!

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Could someone let me know where you're getting it early as well?

The shots look fine to me so far, but I'm by not means an expert when it comes to this sort of thing.
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Could someone let me know where you're getting it early as well?

The shots look fine to me so far, but I'm by not means an expert when it comes to this sort of thing.

They are either credentialed writers that got review copies or their friend of one.

The rest of us? We have to wait until retail.

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Could someone let me know where you're getting it early as well?

The shots look fine to me so far, but I'm by not means an expert when it comes to this sort of thing.

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They are either credentialed writers that got review copies or their friend of one.

The rest of us? We have to wait until retail.

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They are either credentialed writers that got review copies or their friend of one.

The rest of us? We have to wait until retail.

not true at all. im here in Australia and mine is being shipped by fedex.

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man, judging by these 2 comparison caps, the cropped framing on the BB disc is way better than TDK if you ask me... the framing in the shot of the joker with the mask looks horrible imo

If I remember that shot correctly, you'll have already seen his feet even in the theatrically cropped 2.35:1 version - the camera is moving in at that point right before he gets in the vehicle.
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I ordered from DVD Pacific but they haven't shipped mine yet. Should I cancel that order and order from someplace else? hint,hint, cough, cough, pleasepmme...

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Doesn't look too bad cropped to 2.35:1, so far:







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I'm not happy about it. It may be what Nolan wanted, but that doesn't mean he's not smoking crack.

Yeah he only created one of the greatest movies, because you know better with the many great movies you created. Put YOUR pipe down...
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Thank you Kram, I really appreciate those screen shots.
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They are either credentialed writers that got review copies or their friend of one.

The rest of us? We have to wait until retail.

These discs are readily available in mom and pop stores in NYC.

I just picked mine up tonight. Also on the shelf: Prince Caspian, Lost, XFiles, Wanted, Home ALone, The day the earth stood still.

They are there but expensive. I saw some marked up for $45!!

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