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post #181 of 202 Old 03-31-2009, 06:47 PM
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Do you have a link to this version anywhere. I can't seem to find a listing for it.

http://www.amazon.com/Gullivers-Trav...dp/630594427X/

It is rare and out of print. It does not come cheap.
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wow, it's hard to believe that the absolute worst bd has a thread with this many responses.
aren't people about ready to stop talking about the piece of sh%^*t?

It's not the movie. It, in and of itself is unremarkable, though a decent watch.

It's the schilling and misrepresentation by people that has gotten people polarized here. If people were say the same glowing things about quality of the transfer for "The Hideaways" on DVD from Platinum Disc Corp, I think we'd be busting chops there, too.

Instead, every review on The Hideawys, aside from one that points out the poor image quality, merely rates and reviews the movie itself. There's a huge difference in liking the content and falling in love with a clearly flawed presentation.

You can love the movie and still hate the presentation.
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http://www.amazon.com/Gullivers-Trav...dp/630594427X/

It is rare and out of print. It does not come cheap.

Ah, thanks for that. I was thrown off by Image Entertainment under the studio heading, since Koch was listed on their versions.

Any opinions on some of the others, such as the one fromAlpha Video?
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Ah, thanks for that. I was thrown off by Image Entertainment under the studio heading, since Koch was listed on their versions.

Any opinions on some of the others, such as the one fromAlpha Video?

I don't know. For 3 bucks, you can afford to be disappointed.
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Ah, thanks for that. I was thrown off by Image Entertainment under the studio heading, since Koch was listed on their versions.

Any opinions on some of the others, such as the one fromAlpha Video?

Isn't that something...$175+ for a single DVD...come on. But then again, a few years back I sold my original 1st edition of "This Island Earth" for $75 and some maroon bought it. Maybe I ought to sell this one, maybe not. If I do, I'll only have it on LD.

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I've received the actual Blu-Ray and am almost surprised to find that it is actually worse in motion than the screencaps had prepared me for.

Usually some faults of a transfer are diminished when viewed live, but not here. There is noticeable motion judder, as if every other frame was skipped, and the previously smooth animation is now jerky and staccato. I suspect this is due to the heavy noise reduction having a hard time identifying the minute movement between cells and then playing catch-up every other frame.

The linework is also completely gone, as is any detail in the backgrounds, They really do look like impressionist oil paintings. The darker scenes are even harder to make out, now that what little detail was visible has been smoothed to oblivion.

The credited "restorationists" and associated labs should be ashamed of themselves. I wouldn't want this title on my resumé.

As for the longevity of this thread, I am enjoying the drama surrounding the apparent cover-up that Koch is perpetrating. The fact that Koch representatives defend this product so fiercely is very amusing. Claiming conspiracies, that viewers simply have their sets set up wrongly, that all choices were made with the approval of (or in the spirit of) the original filmmakers. Not to mention the whole pornstar appeal to leave 5-star reviews on Amazon and the same war of words happening on the feedback over on YouTube. You absolutely could not make this stuff up. Priceless entertainment, this.

I only wish that someone from the industry would shine a light on this, but I guess speaking out against a peer is a no-no. Both Bill Hunt and Robert Harris have been deathly quiet about this. I can only see this release as impacting negatively on the perception of the Blu-Ray format and would expect the patent holders at least to have objections to it.
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The linework is also completely gone, as is any detail in the backgrounds, They really do look like impressionist oil paintings. The darker scenes are even harder to make out, now that what little detail was visible has been smoothed to oblivion.

It reminds me of a paint-by-number. There are several filters that will smooth and simplify an image into that posterized mess. Whatever old analog SD crud they originally pulled that from woulda looked better as is.

At any rate, I cant promise you film was never touched for this mess.
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I've received the actual Blu-Ray and am almost surprised to find that it is actually worse in motion than the screencaps had prepared me for.

Usually some faults of a transfer are diminished when viewed live, but not here. There is noticeable motion judder, as if every other frame was skipped, and the previously smooth animation is now jerky and staccato. I suspect this is due to the heavy noise reduction having a hard time identifying the minute movement between cells and then playing catch-up every other frame.

The linework is also completely gone, as is any detail in the backgrounds, They really do look like impressionist oil paintings. The darker scenes are even harder to make out, now that what little detail was visible has been smoothed to oblivion.

The credited "restorationists" and associated labs should be ashamed of themselves. I wouldn't want this title on my resumé.

As for the longevity of this thread, I am enjoying the drama surrounding the apparent cover-up that Koch is perpetrating. The fact that Koch representatives defend this product so fiercely is very amusing. Claiming conspiracies, that viewers simply have their sets set up wrongly, that all choices were made with the approval of (or in the spirit of) the original filmmakers. Not to mention the whole pornstar appeal to leave 5-star reviews on Amazon and the same war of words happening on the feedback over on YouTube. You absolutely could not make this stuff up. Priceless entertainment, this.

I only wish that someone from the industry would shine a light on this, but I guess speaking out against a peer is a no-no. Both Bill Hunt and Robert Harris have been deathly quiet about this. I can only see this release as impacting negatively on the perception of the Blu-Ray format and would expect the patent holders at least to have objections to it.

Robert Harris just gave his review..."O"...nothing more!

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Both Bill Hunt and Robert Harris have been deathly quiet about this.

...and now I see that RH has Indeed addressed the issue. Read his "few words about" on that other forum.
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Robert Harris just gave his review..."O"...nothing more!

I was gonna say...Mr. Harris did chime in this morning.

I also sent Bill an e-mail a couple weeks ago about this.
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Can we get a link to that review?
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http://www.hometheaterforum.com/htf/...s-blu-ray.html

I love his minimalist approach. This release isn't even worth the typing of that single number.
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RAH is a funny man. It took me a second when I read it this afternoon, but the more I thought about the funnier it got.
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Robert Harris did the right thing. There is no point of dismissing it. That Peter Rosenberg guy will think the whole world is conspiring against him.
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RAH is a funny man. It took me a second when I read it this afternoon, but the more I thought about the funnier it got.

"...simply a two-word review: 'S*** Sandwich.'"
"Where'd they print that? That's not real. You can't print that!"
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This story is now on Engadgethd...it's getting the exposure it needs.
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Not that we didn't know already, but the 'Dr. Reich' on Amazon clearly either works for or has ties to Koch. The DVD images he uploaded for the BD included the disc art, not a scan.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/customer-me...pdp_images_all

http://i39.tinypic.com/2ue5q53.jpg if he decides to change it.
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Not that we didn't know already, but the 'Dr. Reich' on Amazon clearly either works for or has ties to Koch. The DVD images he uploaded for the BD included the disc art, not a scan.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/customer-me...pdp_images_all

http://i39.tinypic.com/2ue5q53.jpg if he decides to change it.

I don't have my copy with me, but isn't Dr. Reich the restorationist-guy who wrote the essay/blurb on the inside front cover?
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This story is now on Engadgethd...it's getting the exposure it needs.

http://www.engadgethd.com/2009/04/07...readercomments


gotta love this milton guy...
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gotta love this milton guy...

My oh my...I doubt that second comment he made will last very long.
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My oh my...I doubt that second comment he made will last very long.

Gotta wonder just who Milton really is.
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Hey everyone I posted a 'customer pic' of the Toon Zone comparison.

I made it as fair as can be by not labeling it "horrible f'd up transfer on right"

If you want to make a difference try being a little more subtle. Vote on comments and give ratings that are not just blasting the product... give a negative review that doesn't sound like you are out to ruin the company (even if it's what you want)

Hopefully the pic will stay up on Amazon.
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