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Like Serenity this Universal release for Bu-ray does not suffer from added DNR unlike some previous releases. Yes it has been left alone. I think Universal is listening to our complainings In any normal viewing you can not discern any difference between the two. But you are here at AVS we don't do "normal"

The video bitrates are just about the same. What is interesting is during fast action scenes the macroblocking is not consistent. Sometimes the blu-ray encode has a little bit less and the next a little bit more. So in my nitpicking standard I will call this a draw And as for the AQ the blu-ray version plays louder

Looking back at what Universal did with this title when it was initially released for HD DVD I am just amazed on what an excellent job they did with the encoding. "Tweaked" some say. It was considered back then the "King" of all HD PQ. I don't think its the best right now but it is still a reference PQ.

For more screenshots of King Kong comparing it against DVD and HD broadcasts go here and here.
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HD DVD File size: 26.90 GB

Bitrate: 16.48 mbps


Code:
                                                                                        Total   Video
Title                                   Codec   Length  Movie Size      Disc Size       Bitrate Bitrate Main Audio Track        IME     Secondary Audio Track
King Kong (2005) (Xbox)         VC-1    3:07:11 28,912,744,448* 29,481,049,776  20.59   16.48   DDPlus 5.1 1536Kbps     Yes

Blu-ray File size: 36.10 GB

Bitrate: 16.33 mbps



Code:
                                                                                                                Total   Video                                             
Title                                                           Codec   Length  Movie Size      Disc Size       Bitrate Bitrate Main Audio Track                          Secondary Audio Track
-----                                                           ------  ------- --------------  --------------  ------- ------- ------------------                        ---------------------
00000.MPLS                                                      VC-1    3:20:07 37,050,138,624  38,807,330,604  24.68   16.33   DTS-HD Master 5.1 4177Kbps (48kHz/24-bit) 


DISC INFO:

Disc Title:     bd-kk
Disc Size:      38,807,330,604 bytes
Protection:     AACS
BD-Java:        Yes
BDInfo:         0.5.1

PLAYLIST REPORT:

Name:                   00000.MPLS
Size:                   37,050,138,624 bytes
Length:                 3:20:07 (h:m:s)
Total Bitrate:          24.68 Mbps
Description:            

VIDEO:

Codec                   Bitrate             Description     
-----                   -------             -----------     
VC-1 Video              16326 kbps          1080p / 23.976 fps / 16:9 / Advanced Profile 3
VC-1 Video              574 kbps            480p / 23.976 fps / 16:9 / Advanced Profile 2
VC-1 Video              77 kbps             480p / 23.976 fps / 4:3 / Advanced Profile 2

AUDIO:

Codec                           Language        Bitrate         Description     
-----                           --------        -------         -----------     
DTS-HD Master Audio             English         4177 kbps       5.1 / 48 kHz / 4177 kbps / 24-bit (DTS Core: 5.1 / 48 kHz / 1509 kbps / 24-bit)
DTS Audio                       French          768 kbps        5.1 / 48 kHz / 768 kbps / 24-bit
DTS Audio                       Spanish         768 kbps        5.1 / 48 kHz / 768 kbps / 24-bit
Dolby Digital Audio             English         192 kbps        2.0 / 48 kHz / 192 kbps / Dolby Surround
DTS Express                     English         192 kbps        2.0 / 48 kHz / 192 kbps / 24-bit

SUBTITLES:

Codec                           Language        Bitrate         Description     
-----                           --------        -------         -----------     
Presentation Graphics           English         21.266 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           French          16.697 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           French          0.440 kbps                      
Presentation Graphics           Spanish         15.429 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           Spanish         0.464 kbps                      

FILES:

Name            Time In         Length          Size            Total Bitrate   
----            -------         ------          ----            -------------   
00286.M2TS      0:00:00.000     1:14:09.194     13,856,704,512  24,915          
00309.M2TS      1:14:09.194     0:02:49.752     511,223,808     24,093          
00287.M2TS      1:16:58.947     0:14:11.433     2,694,967,296   25,322          
00310.M2TS      1:31:10.381     0:00:27.569     88,774,656      25,761          
00288.M2TS      1:31:37.950     0:07:14.559     1,382,774,784   25,456          
00311.M2TS      1:38:52.509     0:07:34.120     1,361,209,344   23,980          
00289.M2TS      1:46:26.630     0:20:53.961     3,874,928,640   24,721          
00312.M2TS      2:07:20.591     0:01:58.576     349,863,936     23,604          
00290.M2TS      2:09:19.167     0:15:53.535     2,828,156,928   23,728          
00313.M2TS      2:25:12.703     0:00:33.116     100,116,480     24,185          
00291.M2TS      2:25:45.820     0:20:29.853     3,778,252,800   24,577          
00314.M2TS      2:46:15.673     0:00:22.147     79,294,464      28,643          
00292.M2TS      2:46:37.821     0:05:44.594     1,090,289,664   25,312          
00315.M2TS      2:52:22.415     0:00:53.261     161,464,320     24,252          
00293.M2TS      2:53:15.676     0:20:48.789     3,827,177,472   24,518          
00316.M2TS      3:14:04.466     0:00:14.347     49,668,096      27,694          
00294.M2TS      3:14:18.813     0:05:49.057     1,015,271,424   23,269          

CHAPTERS:

Number          Time In         Length          Avg Video Rate  Max 1-Sec Rate  Max 1-Sec Time  Max 5-Sec Rate  Max 5-Sec Time  Max 10Sec Rate  Max 10Sec Time  Avg Frame Size  Max Frame Size  Max Frame Time  
------          -------         ------          --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  
1               0:00:00.000     0:03:02.807     15,291 kbps     34,634 kbps     00:00:26.109    28,854 kbps     00:00:31.114    25,511 kbps     00:00:25.483    81,051 bytes    481,217 bytes   00:00:57.390    
2               0:03:02.807     0:01:17.994     14,484 kbps     21,003 kbps     00:03:16.362    18,809 kbps     00:03:14.652    17,020 kbps     00:03:14.652    75,513 bytes    234,678 bytes   00:03:24.662    
3               0:04:20.802     0:02:23.142     12,063 kbps     17,868 kbps     00:05:44.469    16,253 kbps     00:05:46.804    15,955 kbps     00:05:43.968    62,892 bytes    289,845 bytes   00:06:05.740    
4               0:06:43.945     0:03:45.725     18,914 kbps     32,542 kbps     00:07:53.514    27,048 kbps     00:07:53.473    26,480 kbps     00:07:53.473    98,608 bytes    355,639 bytes   00:07:54.515    
5               0:10:29.670     0:02:03.540     14,351 kbps     28,292 kbps     00:11:54.797    27,301 kbps     00:11:52.461    22,143 kbps     00:11:51.502    74,819 bytes    350,407 bytes   00:11:52.503    
6               0:12:33.210     0:01:45.188     13,157 kbps     18,406 kbps     00:13:50.329    17,042 kbps     00:13:47.993    16,283 kbps     00:13:44.323    68,592 bytes    211,666 bytes   00:14:18.399    
7               0:14:18.399     0:03:22.493     18,980 kbps     29,372 kbps     00:17:07.985    26,593 kbps     00:16:53.721    25,613 kbps     00:16:53.679    98,951 bytes    323,729 bytes   00:17:18.370    
8               0:17:40.893     0:02:44.956     19,294 kbps     28,250 kbps     00:20:01.366    26,112 kbps     00:20:13.337    25,581 kbps     00:20:07.748    100,589 bytes   276,672 bytes   00:20:08.040    
9               0:20:25.849     0:03:47.435     17,668 kbps     29,529 kbps     00:22:31.058    24,906 kbps     00:23:36.373    23,175 kbps     00:23:36.373    92,115 bytes    296,334 bytes   00:20:43.242    
10              0:24:13.285     0:01:42.352     17,628 kbps     32,653 kbps     00:25:52.342    31,596 kbps     00:25:50.507    25,034 kbps     00:25:45.627    91,903 bytes    284,806 bytes   00:25:53.134    
11              0:25:55.637     0:00:17.726     20,185 kbps     27,603 kbps     00:26:08.942    23,473 kbps     00:26:06.147    21,904 kbps     00:26:01.351    105,236 bytes   368,559 bytes   00:26:11.152    
12              0:26:13.363     0:01:47.273     18,215 kbps     28,901 kbps     00:26:18.827    25,183 kbps     00:26:18.159    23,370 kbps     00:26:14.114    94,964 bytes    318,738 bytes   00:27:28.104    
13              0:28:00.637     0:02:28.898     19,523 kbps     25,510 kbps     00:28:09.354    24,125 kbps     00:28:05.350    23,555 kbps     00:28:00.720    101,782 bytes   290,560 bytes   00:28:37.257    
14              0:30:29.536     0:00:37.912     18,194 kbps     25,748 kbps     00:30:48.596    21,778 kbps     00:30:48.596    20,521 kbps     00:30:44.133    94,857 bytes    351,044 bytes   00:30:44.175    
15              0:31:07.448     0:01:59.911     18,651 kbps     34,011 kbps     00:31:16.082    31,737 kbps     00:31:14.497    29,613 kbps     00:31:11.578    97,236 bytes    416,154 bytes   00:31:17.458    
16              0:33:07.360     0:01:07.150     16,461 kbps     28,922 kbps     00:33:07.360    23,653 kbps     00:33:30.216    20,963 kbps     00:33:30.216    85,818 bytes    342,929 bytes   00:33:40.226    
17              0:34:14.510     0:02:41.369     15,799 kbps     23,501 kbps     00:34:15.970    21,049 kbps     00:34:15.094    20,001 kbps     00:34:15.094    82,368 bytes    274,138 bytes   00:36:52.793    
18              0:36:55.880     0:02:49.794     12,999 kbps     18,993 kbps     00:37:07.767    15,781 kbps     00:39:26.489    14,504 kbps     00:39:24.362    67,773 bytes    220,425 bytes   00:39:17.563    
19              0:39:45.674     0:01:21.831     16,870 kbps     27,096 kbps     00:39:46.342    24,072 kbps     00:40:19.625    22,998 kbps     00:40:19.625    87,951 bytes    291,286 bytes   00:40:08.030    
20              0:41:07.506     0:01:24.209     13,009 kbps     17,939 kbps     00:42:11.153    17,051 kbps     00:42:08.984    16,547 kbps     00:42:04.021    67,821 bytes    212,013 bytes   00:42:01.352    
21              0:42:31.715     0:01:14.157     16,303 kbps     35,241 kbps     00:42:51.068    32,704 kbps     00:42:48.983    25,213 kbps     00:42:46.397    84,994 bytes    388,040 bytes   00:42:52.027    
22              0:43:45.873     0:08:34.305     17,013 kbps     31,421 kbps     00:49:54.741    28,613 kbps     00:49:41.186    28,192 kbps     00:49:38.100    88,700 bytes    348,833 bytes   00:51:07.022    
23              0:52:20.178     0:03:29.751     15,103 kbps     38,546 kbps     00:53:28.872    24,229 kbps     00:53:26.286    21,865 kbps     00:52:20.929    78,738 bytes    363,173 bytes   00:55:34.080    
24              0:55:49.929     0:06:17.335     14,556 kbps     26,141 kbps     00:56:04.652    24,102 kbps     00:56:02.609    20,114 kbps     00:56:00.523    75,889 bytes    359,830 bytes   00:57:20.353    
25              1:02:07.265     0:05:25.533     18,635 kbps     38,323 kbps     01:02:22.822    28,936 kbps     01:06:11.425    28,033 kbps     01:06:06.963    97,155 bytes    358,302 bytes   01:02:23.114    
26              1:07:32.798     0:05:06.681     16,732 kbps     30,481 kbps     01:08:07.291    29,041 kbps     01:08:04.997    26,119 kbps     01:08:03.120    87,234 bytes    330,336 bytes   01:12:18.334    
27              1:12:39.480     0:01:35.178     14,722 kbps     22,056 kbps     01:12:40.606    19,247 kbps     01:12:44.943    18,012 kbps     01:12:44.193    76,754 bytes    312,560 bytes   01:13:22.606    
28              1:14:14.658     0:02:44.289     16,125 kbps     25,418 kbps     01:14:59.411    20,697 kbps     01:14:47.691    19,664 kbps     01:15:13.008    84,067 bytes    252,939 bytes   01:16:03.725    
29              1:16:58.947     0:03:24.537     16,571 kbps     29,757 kbps     01:18:58.191    24,721 kbps     01:16:59.865    22,399 kbps     01:16:58.947    86,396 bytes    337,819 bytes   01:19:45.864    
30              1:20:23.485     0:02:18.680     15,403 kbps     26,176 kbps     01:21:26.214    21,894 kbps     01:21:22.210    18,552 kbps     01:21:17.330    80,305 bytes    369,927 bytes   01:21:35.557    
31              1:22:42.165     0:06:38.356     18,276 kbps     36,783 kbps     01:25:50.478    28,361 kbps     01:26:01.155    24,679 kbps     01:25:56.484    95,283 bytes    450,431 bytes   01:25:19.322    
32              1:29:20.521     0:00:56.055     10,197 kbps     15,509 kbps     01:29:57.600    14,177 kbps     01:29:56.682    13,233 kbps     01:29:54.764    53,163 bytes    389,857 bytes   01:29:56.724    
33              1:30:16.577     0:01:53.238     15,348 kbps     28,610 kbps     01:31:17.180    23,765 kbps     01:31:13.217    20,019 kbps     01:30:21.541    80,018 bytes    403,428 bytes   01:32:09.440    
34              1:32:09.815     0:06:45.530     15,853 kbps     30,773 kbps     01:35:57.251    25,899 kbps     01:37:37.810    25,503 kbps     01:37:37.810    82,650 bytes    472,506 bytes   01:35:21.507    
35              1:38:55.346     0:05:48.765     15,994 kbps     42,406 kbps     01:41:19.698    28,917 kbps     01:41:08.979    26,483 kbps     01:41:05.767    83,386 bytes    354,681 bytes   01:41:19.740    
36              1:44:44.111     0:01:33.843     17,006 kbps     29,015 kbps     01:44:44.111    24,213 kbps     01:44:44.111    22,544 kbps     01:44:44.111    88,661 bytes    318,040 bytes   01:45:56.391    
37              1:46:17.954     0:03:44.057     12,583 kbps     20,506 kbps     01:48:30.587    16,853 kbps     01:49:49.290    15,662 kbps     01:49:05.038    65,600 bytes    286,452 bytes   01:48:55.153    
38              1:50:02.012     0:11:39.240     17,410 kbps     34,558 kbps     01:54:21.062    26,786 kbps     01:55:44.645    26,137 kbps     01:55:40.767    90,769 bytes    489,843 bytes   01:54:21.145    
39              2:01:41.252     0:07:27.405     15,472 kbps     26,392 kbps     02:06:26.412    22,164 kbps     02:07:25.262    20,459 kbps     02:07:24.428    80,666 bytes    307,024 bytes   02:02:50.696    
40              2:09:08.657     0:04:10.333     16,229 kbps     26,381 kbps     02:10:49.967    23,603 kbps     02:11:16.910    21,207 kbps     02:10:43.543    84,610 bytes    353,334 bytes   02:10:10.594    
41              2:13:18.990     0:02:32.485     17,066 kbps     33,834 kbps     02:15:42.425    26,660 kbps     02:15:40.507    23,611 kbps     02:15:36.253    88,974 bytes    366,033 bytes   02:13:28.875    
42              2:15:51.476     0:05:44.552     13,831 kbps     23,713 kbps     02:21:02.996    20,572 kbps     02:21:09.544    19,770 kbps     02:19:55.220    72,109 bytes    213,968 bytes   02:21:05.790    
43              2:21:36.029     0:08:40.478     16,134 kbps     36,151 kbps     02:21:50.627    32,268 kbps     02:21:46.748    27,640 kbps     02:21:46.748    84,340 bytes    350,467 bytes   02:23:46.034    
44              2:30:16.507     0:01:55.198     21,027 kbps     32,003 kbps     02:32:06.825    28,383 kbps     02:32:04.740    26,606 kbps     02:32:01.111    109,626 bytes   349,465 bytes   02:30:35.609    
45              2:32:11.705     0:01:50.443     13,422 kbps     18,334 kbps     02:34:01.148    15,964 kbps     02:32:26.929    15,017 kbps     02:32:22.299    69,976 bytes    254,280 bytes   02:32:28.097    
46              2:34:02.149     0:09:12.635     16,250 kbps     28,539 kbps     02:40:10.308    26,153 kbps     02:42:33.785    24,227 kbps     02:42:31.199    84,722 bytes    352,478 bytes   02:35:12.386    
47              2:43:14.784     0:04:35.775     19,618 kbps     30,130 kbps     02:46:43.910    28,172 kbps     02:46:41.658    25,851 kbps     02:46:37.779    102,281 bytes   363,599 bytes   02:44:58.722    
48              2:47:50.560     0:04:33.314     15,668 kbps     32,355 kbps     02:52:17.243    24,837 kbps     02:52:13.281    23,490 kbps     02:52:08.359    81,685 bytes    280,242 bytes   02:52:17.368    
49              2:52:23.875     0:01:41.392     19,610 kbps     36,045 kbps     02:54:00.388    32,192 kbps     02:54:00.096    28,699 kbps     02:53:55.132    102,236 bytes   405,756 bytes   02:53:48.125    
50              2:54:05.268     0:02:18.721     13,583 kbps     19,489 kbps     02:54:33.921    17,965 kbps     02:55:34.440    17,696 kbps     02:55:31.937    70,814 bytes    320,704 bytes   02:55:39.320    
51              2:56:23.989     0:07:33.494     18,862 kbps     35,186 kbps     03:00:58.097    28,608 kbps     02:57:58.542    24,712 kbps     03:03:24.284    98,337 bytes    365,075 bytes   03:02:25.726    
52              3:03:57.484     0:06:38.564     17,401 kbps     29,990 kbps     03:08:43.436    29,070 kbps     03:08:39.432    24,150 kbps     03:08:38.723    91,133 bytes    387,190 bytes   03:08:07.109    
53              3:10:36.049     0:09:31.821     12,868 kbps     25,641 kbps     03:10:37.300    23,101 kbps     03:14:13.850    21,986 kbps     03:14:08.845    67,095 bytes    563,392 bytes   03:14:15.477    

STREAM DIAGNOSTICS:

File            PID             Type            Codec           Language                Seconds                 Bitrate                 Bytes           Packets         
----            ---             ----            -----           --------                --------------          --------------          -------------   -----           
00286.M2TS      4113 (0x1011)   0xEA            VC-1                                    4449.070                16,534                  9,195,162,777   50,038,223      
00286.M2TS      4352 (0x1100)   0x86            DTS-HD MA       eng (English)           4449.070                4,089                   2,273,861,884   13,051,709      
00286.M2TS      4353 (0x1101)   0x82            DTS             spa (Spanish)           4449.070                768                     427,123,712     2,502,678       
00286.M2TS      4354 (0x1102)   0x82            DTS             fra (French)            4449.070                768                     427,123,712     2,502,678       
00286.M2TS      4355 (0x1103)   0x81            AC3             eng (English)           4449.070                192                     106,781,184     695,190         
00286.M2TS      4608 (0x1200)   0x90            PGS             eng (English)           4449.070                34                      18,865,703      109,005         
00286.M2TS      4609 (0x1201)   0x90            PGS             spa (Spanish)           4449.070                27                      14,883,022      86,451          
00286.M2TS      4610 (0x1202)   0x90            PGS             fra (French)            4449.070                30                      16,418,589      94,792          
00286.M2TS      4611 (0x1203)   0x90            PGS             spa (Spanish)           4449.070                1                       281,844         1,637           
00286.M2TS      4612 (0x1204)   0x90            PGS             fra (French)            4449.070                1                       280,156         1,614           
00286.M2TS      6656 (0x1A00)   0xA2            DTS Express     eng (English)           4449.070                192                     106,782,720     625,680         
00286.M2TS      6912 (0x1B00)   0xEA            VC-1                                    4449.070                641                     356,294,733     2,011,553       
00286.M2TS      6913 (0x1B01)   0xEA            VC-1                                    4449.070                74                      40,991,492      300,035         
00309.M2TS      4113 (0x1011)   0xEA            VC-1                                    169.628                 16,001                  339,283,000     1,846,420       
00309.M2TS      4352 (0x1100)   0x86            DTS-HD MA       eng (English)           169.628                 4,415                   93,609,848      535,248         
00309.M2TS      4353 (0x1101)   0x82            DTS             spa (Spanish)           169.628                 769                     16,296,960      95,490          
00309.M2TS      4354 (0x1102)   0x82            DTS             fra (French)            169.628                 769                     16,296,960      95,490          
00309.M2TS      4355 (0x1103)   0x81            AC3             eng (English)           169.628                 192                     4,074,240       26,525          
00309.M2TS      4608 (0x1200)   0x90            PGS             eng (English)           169.628                 18                      385,976         2,280           
00309.M2TS      4609 (0x1201)   0x90            PGS             spa (Spanish)           169.628                 8                       162,553         985             
00309.M2TS      4610 (0x1202)   0x90            PGS             fra (French)            169.628                 9                       184,328         1,106           
00309.M2TS      4611 (0x1203)   0x90            PGS             spa (Spanish)           169.628                 0                       70              7               
00309.M2TS      4612 (0x1204)   0x90            PGS             fra (French)            169.628                 0                       70              7               
00309.M2TS      6656 (0x1A00)   0xA2            DTS Express     eng (English)           169.628                 192                     4,075,520       23,880          
00309.M2TS      6912 (0x1B00)   0xEA            VC-1                                    169.628                 39                      825,953         7,472           
00309.M2TS      6913 (0x1B01)   0xEA            VC-1                                    169.628                 167                     3,546,913       22,029          
00287.M2TS      4113 (0x1011)   0xEA            VC-1                                    851.309                 16,586                  1,764,988,716   9,604,608       
00287.M2TS      4352 (0x1100)   0x86            DTS-HD MA       eng (English)           851.309                 4,430                   471,454,144     2,694,924       
00287.M2TS      4353 (0x1101)   0x82            DTS             spa (Spanish)           851.309                 768                     81,737,728      478,932         
00287.M2TS      4354 (0x1102)   0x82            DTS             fra (French)            851.309                 768                     81,737,728      478,932         
00287.M2TS      4355 (0x1103)   0x81            AC3             eng (English)           851.309                 192                     20,434,944      133,040         
00287.M2TS      4608 (0x1200)   0x90            PGS             eng (English)           851.309                 20                      2,106,427       12,290          
00287.M2TS      4609 (0x1201)   0x90            PGS             spa (Spanish)           851.309                 14                      1,455,867       8,515           
00287.M2TS      4610 (0x1202)   0x90            PGS             fra (French)            851.309                 14                      1,517,125       8,844           
00287.M2TS      4611 (0x1203)   0x90            PGS             spa (Spanish)           851.309                 0                       70              7               
00287.M2TS      4612 (0x1204)   0x90            PGS             fra (French)            851.309                 0                       70              7               
00287.M2TS      6656 (0x1A00)   0xA2            DTS Express     eng (English)           851.309                 192                     20,434,944      119,736         
00287.M2TS      6912 (0x1B00)   0xEA            VC-1                                    851.309                 558                     59,331,980      336,883         
00287.M2TS      6913 (0x1B01)   0xEA            VC-1                                    851.309                 202                     21,445,322      131,030         
00310.M2TS      4113 (0x1011)   0xEA            VC-1                                    27.444                  16,024                  54,971,812      299,171         
00310.M2TS      4352 (0x1100)   0x86            DTS-HD MA       eng (English)           27.444                  4,072                   13,969,228      80,206          
00310.M2TS      4353 (0x1101)   0x82            DTS             spa (Spanish)           27.444                  772                     2,647,040       15,510          
00310.M2TS      4354 (0x1102)   0x82            DTS             fra (French)            27.444                  772                     2,647,040       15,510          
00310.M2TS      4355 (0x1103)   0x81            AC3             eng (English)           27.444                  193                     662,016         4,310           
00310.M2TS      4608 (0x1200)   0x90            PGS             eng (English)           27.444                  65                      223,603         1,275           
00310.M2TS      4609 (0x1201)   0x90            PGS             spa (Spanish)           27.444                  54                      185,943         1,056           
00310.M2TS      4610 (0x1202)   0x90            PGS             fra (French)            27.444                  57                      194,332         1,102           
00310.M2TS      4611 (0x1203)   0x90            PGS             spa (Spanish)           27.444                  0                       70              7               
00310.M2TS      4612 (0x1204)   0x90            PGS             fra (French)            27.444                  0                       70              7               
00310.M2TS      6656 (0x1A00)   0xA2            DTS Express     eng (English)           27.444                  193                     663,552         3,888           
00310.M2TS      6912 (0x1B00)   0xEA            VC-1                                    27.444                  2,025                   6,947,434       38,174          
00310.M2TS      6913 (0x1B01)   0xEA            VC-1                                    27.444                  39                      134,411         1,215           
00288.M2TS      4113 (0x1011)   0xEA            VC-1                                    434.476                 15,987                  868,239,643     4,724,972       
00288.M2TS      4352 (0x1100)   0x86            DTS-HD MA       eng (English)           434.476                 4,089                   222,065,520     1,274,589       
00288.M2TS      4353 (0x1101)   0x82            DTS             spa (Spanish)           434.476                 768                     41,717,760      244,440         
00288.M2TS      4354 (0x1102)   0x82            DTS             fra (French)            434.476                 768                     41,717,760      244,440         
00288.M2TS      4355 (0x1103)   0x81            AC3             eng (English)           434.476                 192                     10,429,440      67,900          
00288.M2TS      4608 (0x1200)   0x90            PGS             eng (English)           434.476                 10                      568,792         3,351           
00288.M2TS      4609 (0x1201)   0x90            PGS             spa (Spanish)           434.476                 5                       269,876         1,563           
00288.M2TS      4610 (0x1202)   0x90            PGS             fra (French)            434.476                 6                       302,956         1,742           
00288.M2TS      4611 (0x1203)   0x90            PGS             spa (Spanish)           434.476                 0                       70              7               
00288.M2TS      4612 (0x1204)   0x90            PGS             fra (French)            434.476                 0                       70              7               
00288.M2TS      6656 (0x1A00)   0xA2            DTS Express     eng (English)           434.476                 192                     10,430,464      61,116          
00288.M2TS      6912 (0x1B00)   0xEA            VC-1                                    434.476                 1,821                   98,887,552      544,148         
00288.M2TS      6913 (0x1B01)   0xEA            VC-1                                    434.476                 39                      2,110,384       19,107          
00311.M2TS      4113 (0x1011)   0xEA            VC-1                                    453.995                 16,037                  910,084,357     4,952,674       
00311.M2TS      4352 (0x1100)   0x86            DTS-HD MA       eng (English)           453.995                 4,404                   249,951,516     1,429,337       
00311.M2TS      4353 (0x1101)   0x82            DTS             spa (Spanish)           453.995                 768                     43,595,776      255,444         
00311.M2TS      4354 (0x1102)   0x82            DTS             fra (French)            453.995                 768                     43,595,776      255,444         
00311.M2TS      4355 (0x1103)   0x81            AC3             eng (English)           453.995                 192                     10,899,456      70,960          
00311.M2TS      4608 (0x1200)   0x90            PGS             eng (English)           453.995                 10                      574,515         3,417           
00311.M2TS      4609 (0x1201)   0x90            PGS             spa (Spanish)           453.995                 5                       257,053         1,567           
00311.M2TS      4610 (0x1202)   0x90            PGS             fra (French)            453.995                 5                       289,806         1,745           
00311.M2TS      4611 (0x1203)   0x90            PGS             spa (Spanish)           453.995                 0                       70              7               
00311.M2TS      4612 (0x1204)   0x90            PGS             fra (French)            453.995                 0                       70              7               
00311.M2TS      6656 (0x1A00)   0xA2            DTS Express     eng (English)           453.995                 192                     10,899,456      63,864          
00311.M2TS      6912 (0x1B00)   0xEA            VC-1                                    453.995                 39                      2,205,389       19,968          
00311.M2TS      6913 (0x1B01)   0xEA            VC-1                                    453.995                 39                      2,205,389       19,968          
00289.M2TS      4113 (0x1011)   0xEA            VC-1                                    1253.836                16,019                  2,510,615,697   13,662,742      
00289.M2TS      4352 (0x1100)   0x86            DTS-HD MA       eng (English)           1253.836                4,355                   682,602,196     3,905,620       
00289.M2TS      4353 (0x1101)   0x82            DTS             spa (Spanish)           1253.836                768                     120,380,416     705,354         
00289.M2TS      4354 (0x1102)   0x82            DTS             fra (French)            1253.836                768                     120,380,416     705,354         
00289.M2TS      4355 (0x1103)   0x81            AC3             eng (English)           1253.836                192                     30,095,616      195,935         
00289.M2TS      4608 (0x1200)   0x90            PGS             eng (English)           1253.836                10                      1,568,242       9,442           
00289.M2TS      4609 (0x1201)   0x90            PGS             spa (Spanish)           1253.836                3                       516,866         3,107           
00289.M2TS      4610 (0x1202)   0x90            PGS             fra (French)            1253.836                3                       486,998         2,936           
00289.M2TS      4611 (0x1203)   0x90            PGS             spa (Spanish)           1253.836                0                       70              7               
00289.M2TS      4612 (0x1204)   0x90            PGS             fra (French)            1253.836                0                       70              7               
00289.M2TS      6656 (0x1A00)   0xA2            DTS Express     eng (English)           1253.836                192                     30,095,360      176,340         
00289.M2TS      6912 (0x1B00)   0xEA            VC-1                                    1253.836                721                     112,938,765     634,935         
00289.M2TS      6913 (0x1B01)   0xEA            VC-1                                    1253.836                137                     21,441,858      138,108         
00312.M2TS      4113 (0x1011)   0xEA            VC-1                                    118.452                 16,000                  236,910,070     1,289,270       
00312.M2TS      4352 (0x1100)   0x86            DTS-HD MA       eng (English)           118.452                 4,034                   59,732,092      343,101         
00312.M2TS      4353 (0x1101)   0x82            DTS             spa (Spanish)           118.452                 769                     11,383,808      66,702          
00312.M2TS      4354 (0x1102)   0x82            DTS             fra (French)            118.452                 769                     11,383,808      66,702          
00312.M2TS      4355 (0x1103)   0x81            AC3             eng (English)           118.452                 192                     2,846,208       18,530          
00312.M2TS      4608 (0x1200)   0x90            PGS             eng (English)           118.452                 31                      464,321         2,680           
00312.M2TS      4609 (0x1201)   0x90            PGS             spa (Spanish)           118.452                 23                      335,767         1,953           
00312.M2TS      4610 (0x1202)   0x90            PGS             fra (French)            118.452                 25                      373,963         2,158           
00312.M2TS      4611 (0x1203)   0x90            PGS             spa (Spanish)           118.452                 0                       70              7               
00312.M2TS      4612 (0x1204)   0x90            PGS             fra (French)            118.452                 0                       70              7               
00312.M2TS      6656 (0x1A00)   0xA2            DTS Express     eng (English)           118.452                 192                     2,846,720       16,680          
00312.M2TS      6912 (0x1B00)   0xEA            VC-1                                    118.452                 39                      576,040         5,215           
00312.M2TS      6913 (0x1B01)   0xEA            VC-1                                    118.452                 39                      576,040         5,215           
00290.M2TS      4113 (0x1011)   0xEA            VC-1                                    953.411                 16,043                  1,912,004,761   10,405,084      
00290.M2TS      4352 (0x1100)   0x86            DTS-HD MA       eng (English)           953.411                 4,144                   493,811,180     2,832,988       
00290.M2TS      4353 (0x1101)   0x82            DTS             spa (Spanish)           953.411                 768                     91,539,456      536,364         
00290.M2TS      4354 (0x1102)   0x82            DTS             fra (French)            953.411                 768                     91,539,456      536,364         
00290.M2TS      4355 (0x1103)   0x81            AC3             eng (English)           953.411                 192                     22,884,864      148,990         
00290.M2TS      4608 (0x1200)   0x90            PGS             eng (English)           953.411                 12                      1,461,626       8,686           
00290.M2TS      4609 (0x1201)   0x90            PGS             spa (Spanish)           953.411                 8                       939,890         5,630           
00290.M2TS      4610 (0x1202)   0x90            PGS             fra (French)            953.411                 8                       999,235         5,949           
00290.M2TS      4611 (0x1203)   0x90            PGS             spa (Spanish)           953.411                 0                       70              7               
00290.M2TS      4612 (0x1204)   0x90            PGS             fra (French)            953.411                 0                       70              7               
00290.M2TS      6656 (0x1A00)   0xA2            DTS Express     eng (English)           953.411                 192                     22,886,400      134,100         
00290.M2TS      6912 (0x1B00)   0xEA            VC-1                                    953.411                 39                      4,631,579       41,930          
00290.M2TS      6913 (0x1B01)   0xEA            VC-1                                    953.411                 39                      4,631,579       41,930          
00313.M2TS      4113 (0x1011)   0xEA            VC-1                                    32.991                  16,026                  66,090,178      359,673         
00313.M2TS      4352 (0x1100)   0x86            DTS-HD MA       eng (English)           32.991                  4,674                   19,276,164      109,951         
00313.M2TS      4353 (0x1101)   0x82            DTS             spa (Spanish)           32.991                  771                     3,179,520       18,630          
00313.M2TS      4354 (0x1102)   0x82            DTS             fra (French)            32.991                  771                     3,179,520       18,630          
00313.M2TS      4355 (0x1103)   0x81            AC3             eng (English)           32.991                  193                     794,880         5,175           
00313.M2TS      4608 (0x1200)   0x90            PGS             eng (English)           32.991                  9                       35,160          213             
00313.M2TS      4609 (0x1201)   0x90            PGS             spa (Spanish)           32.991                  12                      50,130          296             
00313.M2TS      4610 (0x1202)   0x90            PGS             fra (French)            32.991                  6                       24,748          159             
00313.M2TS      4611 (0x1203)   0x90            PGS             spa (Spanish)           32.991                  0                       70              7               
00313.M2TS      4612 (0x1204)   0x90            PGS             fra (French)            32.991                  0                       70              7               
00313.M2TS      6656 (0x1A00)   0xA2            DTS Express     eng (English)           32.991                  193                     796,672         4,668           
00313.M2TS      6912 (0x1B00)   0xEA            VC-1                                    32.991                  39                      161,920         1,462           
00313.M2TS      6913 (0x1B01)   0xEA            VC-1                                    32.991                  39                      161,920         1,462           
00291.M2TS      4113 (0x1011)   0xEA            VC-1                                    1229.729                16,418                  2,523,710,204   13,733,521      
00291.M2TS      4352 (0x1100)   0x86            DTS-HD MA       eng (English)           1229.729                4,243                   652,237,464     3,736,773       
00291.M2TS      4353 (0x1101)   0x82            DTS             spa (Spanish)           1229.729                768                     118,066,176     691,794         
00291.M2TS      4354 (0x1102)   0x82            DTS             fra (French)            1229.729                768                     118,066,176     691,794         
00291.M2TS      4355 (0x1103)   0x81            AC3             eng (English)           1229.729                192                     29,516,544      192,165         
00291.M2TS      4608 (0x1200)   0x90            PGS             eng (English)           1229.729                29                      4,407,642       25,603          
00291.M2TS      4609 (0x1201)   0x90            PGS             spa (Spanish)           1229.729                21                      3,244,076       18,875          
00291.M2TS      4610 (0x1202)   0x90            PGS             fra (French)            1229.729                22                      3,389,243       19,659          
00291.M2TS      4611 (0x1203)   0x90            PGS             spa (Spanish)           1229.729                2                       240,147         1,357           
00291.M2TS      4612 (0x1204)   0x90            PGS             fra (French)            1229.729                1                       215,019         1,222           
00291.M2TS      6656 (0x1A00)   0xA2            DTS Express     eng (English)           1229.729                192                     29,517,824      172,956         
00291.M2TS      6912 (0x1B00)   0xEA            VC-1                                    1229.729                331                     50,823,370      297,401         
00291.M2TS      6913 (0x1B01)   0xEA            VC-1                                    1229.729                39                      5,973,962       54,082          
00314.M2TS      4113 (0x1011)   0xEA            VC-1                                    22.022                  18,155                  49,975,758      271,926         
00314.M2TS      4352 (0x1100)   0x86            DTS-HD MA       eng (English)           22.022                  4,880                   13,433,932      76,503          
00314.M2TS      4353 (0x1101)   0x82            DTS             spa (Spanish)           22.022                  773                     2,126,848       12,462          
00314.M2TS      4354 (0x1102)   0x82            DTS             fra (French)            22.022                  773                     2,126,848       12,462          
00314.M2TS      4355 (0x1103)   0x81            AC3             eng (English)           22.022                  193                     532,224         3,465           
00314.M2TS      4608 (0x1200)   0x90            PGS             eng (English)           22.022                  14                      38,656          230             
00314.M2TS      4609 (0x1201)   0x90            PGS             spa (Spanish)           22.022                  6                       17,408          108             
00314.M2TS      4610 (0x1202)   0x90            PGS             fra (French)            22.022                  6                       15,238          95              
00314.M2TS      4611 (0x1203)   0x90            PGS             spa (Spanish)           22.022                  0                       70              7               
00314.M2TS      4612 (0x1204)   0x90            PGS             fra (French)            22.022                  0                       70              7               
00314.M2TS      6656 (0x1A00)   0xA2            DTS Express     eng (English)           22.022                  193                     532,480         3,120           
00314.M2TS      6912 (0x1B00)   0xEA            VC-1                                    22.022                  2,040                   5,615,110       30,857          
00314.M2TS      6913 (0x1B01)   0xEA            VC-1                                    22.022                  40                      108,741         980             
00292.M2TS      4113 (0x1011)   0xEA            VC-1                                    344.469                 16,924                  728,735,228     3,965,568       
00292.M2TS      4352 (0x1100)   0x86            DTS-HD MA       eng (English)           344.469                 3,970                   170,962,248     982,686         
00292.M2TS      4353 (0x1101)   0x82            DTS             spa (Spanish)           344.469                 768                     33,081,344      193,836         
00292.M2TS      4354 (0x1102)   0x82            DTS             fra (French)            344.469                 768                     33,081,344      193,836         
00292.M2TS      4355 (0x1103)   0x81            AC3             eng (English)           344.469                 192                     8,270,592       53,845          
00292.M2TS      4608 (0x1200)   0x90            PGS             eng (English)           344.469                 3                       136,961         823             
00292.M2TS      4609 (0x1201)   0x90            PGS             spa (Spanish)           344.469                 0                       6,560           42              
00292.M2TS      4610 (0x1202)   0x90            PGS             fra (French)            344.469                 0                       7,100           46              
00292.M2TS      4611 (0x1203)   0x90            PGS             spa (Spanish)           344.469                 0                       70              7               
00292.M2TS      4612 (0x1204)   0x90            PGS             fra (French)            344.469                 0                       70              7               
00292.M2TS      6656 (0x1A00)   0xA2            DTS Express     eng (English)           344.469                 192                     8,271,872       48,468          
00292.M2TS      6912 (0x1B00)   0xEA            VC-1                                    344.469                 821                     35,351,234      197,890         
00292.M2TS      6913 (0x1B01)   0xEA            VC-1                                    344.469                 102                     4,403,685       29,996          
00315.M2TS      4113 (0x1011)   0xEA            VC-1                                    53.178                  16,004                  106,384,184     578,950         
00315.M2TS      4352 (0x1100)   0x86            DTS-HD MA       eng (English)           53.178                  4,614                   30,668,820      174,994         
00315.M2TS      4353 (0x1101)   0x82            DTS             spa (Spanish)           53.178                  769                     5,113,856       29,964          
00315.M2TS      4354 (0x1102)   0x82            DTS             fra (French)            53.178                  769                     5,113,856       29,964          
00315.M2TS      4355 (0x1103)   0x81            AC3             eng (English)           53.178                  192                     1,278,720       8,325           
00315.M2TS      4608 (0x1200)   0x90            PGS             eng (English)           53.178                  48                      316,938         1,844           
00315.M2TS      4609 (0x1201)   0x90            PGS             spa (Spanish)           53.178                  38                      253,886         1,470           
00315.M2TS      4610 (0x1202)   0x90            PGS             fra (French)            53.178                  37                      247,065         1,429           
00315.M2TS      4611 (0x1203)   0x90            PGS             spa (Spanish)           53.178                  0                       70              7               
00315.M2TS      4612 (0x1204)   0x90            PGS             fra (French)            53.178                  0                       70              7               
00315.M2TS      6656 (0x1A00)   0xA2            DTS Express     eng (English)           53.178                  193                     1,280,000       7,500           
00315.M2TS      6912 (0x1B00)   0xEA            VC-1                                    53.178                  39                      259,380         2,346           
00315.M2TS      6913 (0x1B01)   0xEA            VC-1                                    53.178                  39                      259,380         2,346           
00293.M2TS      4113 (0x1011)   0xEA            VC-1                                    1248.664                16,035                  2,502,865,685   13,620,559      
00293.M2TS      4352 (0x1100)   0x86            DTS-HD MA       eng (English)           1248.664                4,169                   650,634,040     3,730,963       
00293.M2TS      4353 (0x1101)   0x82            DTS             spa (Spanish)           1248.664                768                     119,883,776     702,444         
00293.M2TS      4354 (0x1102)   0x82            DTS             fra (French)            1248.664                768                     119,883,776     702,444         
00293.M2TS      4355 (0x1103)   0x81            AC3             eng (English)           1248.664                192                     29,971,200      195,125         
00293.M2TS      4608 (0x1200)   0x90            PGS             eng (English)           1248.664                5                       765,448         4,551           
00293.M2TS      4609 (0x1201)   0x90            PGS             spa (Spanish)           1248.664                3                       406,519         2,426           
00293.M2TS      4610 (0x1202)   0x90            PGS             fra (French)            1248.664                3                       446,695         2,644           
00293.M2TS      4611 (0x1203)   0x90            PGS             spa (Spanish)           1248.664                0                       70              7               
00293.M2TS      4612 (0x1204)   0x90            PGS             fra (French)            1248.664                0                       70              7               
00293.M2TS      6656 (0x1A00)   0xA2            DTS Express     eng (English)           1248.664                192                     29,972,480      175,620         
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Let me tell ya somethin' else. HD DVD didn't die for nothin.' We're gonna finish these film comparisons for HD DVD. We'll finish 'em, and I'll dedicate the proceeds to its wife and kids. Because that format was a hero.


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let me tell ya somethin' else. Hd dvd didn't die for nothin.' we're gonna finish these film comparisons for hd dvd. We'll finish 'em, and i'll dedicate the proceeds to its wife and kids. Because that format was a hero.



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This puts any concern I had to bed as the BR looks fantastic to me. I can see a little dif between them in a few shots, but I would not say one is better than the other IMO. I noticed a little more red in one of the HD-DVD shots for example, but cant say it is better or worse to my eyes. Both look fantastic. This is one of the few HD-DVD's I am double dipping on, but this one is worth it to me for the EE and the DTS-MA (while maintaining the ref PQ from the HD-DVD).

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Looks like a draw to me. Definitely on my buy list for BD!

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Uh-oh! Now you've done it. The bitrate is actually lower on the BD!! So it just CAN'T look as good as the HD DVD!!

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Wow. I think we may be in for a rough ride once more pics are out there- looks like the two releases have almost entirely independent compression artifacts.

So far, it looks to me like the Blu-ray is just a little bit less artifact-y than the HD DVD, but the artifacts are almost never common between the two.

More interesting to me is how much less saturated the Blu-ray's color looks to be. Dramatic.

I certainly agree with Toe that (judging only by these screens), the Blu-ray, like the HD DVD, looks more than sufficient, quality-wise.

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You can clearly see traces of DNR, take a look at Naomi at closeup there is more grain and fine texture at the HD DVD and the lipstick is more red.

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You can clearly see traces of DNR, take a look at Naomi at closeup there is more grain and fine texture at the HD DVD and the lipstick is more red.

If you check in the other Kong thread, you'll see the BD having slightly more detail in fast-moving scenes. I don't think it's additional DNR in either case; I think it's just the way they are encoded.

Maybe Xylon can post some of those "action" images - zooming them.

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You can clearly see traces of DNR, take a look at Naomi at closeup there is more grain and fine texture at the HD DVD and the lipstick is more red.

I don't think this is the case. I think what you're seeing is a product of the lower relative color-saturation level of the BD. Look at the freckles on her cheeks- the detail is there, it's just lower contrast. This is why "the lipstick is more red" on the HD DVD- lipstick de-reddening not usually being a byproduct of DNR.

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I don't think this is the case. I think what you're seeing is a product of the lower relative color-saturation level of the BD. Look at the freckles on her cheeks- the detail is there, it's just lower contrast. This is why "the lipstick is more red" on the HD DVD- lipstick de-reddening not usually being a byproduct of DNR.

Agreed. I dont see DNR, just a slight color dif while the details remain.

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Thanks for the effort, X, great A/B debate about to begin no doubt, but really, both are pretty damn stellar looking IMO no matter what gets said from here on, tuff to select a CLEAR winner of the 2 versions (PQ) anyway.

But, it would be great though to read/hear ANYTHING from Mr. Jackson himself and see if he was maybe intentionally going for a more dramtic effect this time by way of having an ever so slightly more "mellow" look early on (I.E. pre-Kong), thus, once the movie hits the island the hint of more grit would make everything have even more of an impact.

Even if thats just grasping, I can't wait to get this now, the whole package is worth the upgrade - the EE, the beefier audio and the at least equal REF PQ.

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Agreed. I dont see DNR, just a slight color dif while the details remain.

OK look at the background area under HD DVD and BD marks at the Naomi closeup, and tell me there isn't DNR applied on BD.

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That first pic of Naomi looks like the BD has had some DNR applied because Naomi's face when you look close is slightly and i do mean ever so slightly smeary looking compared to the HD DVD shot and in the background you can clearly see some fine grain is missing.

I believe i pointed this frame out in the other thread and i also noticed that in one frame the HD DVD version was worse and the BD frame was better in the other thread. Of course i was shot down and hardly anyone seemed to notice it.

How this would be in motion i do not know but hopefully someone whose opinion is usually critical rather than forgiving of these issues can answer that question. I'm sure this will probably look pretty good despite the flaws ( or i hope so )
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OK look at the background area under HD DVD and BD marks at the Naomi closeup, and tell me there isn't DNR applied on BD.

I see what you are talking about, but is it DNR? I am not convinced and either way, it is so minor to my eyes on my monitor that it is a non issue IMO. I dont see any missing facial detail which would cause concern, but my eyes dont see it. I do think the 2 look slightly dif, but again cant say one looks "better" than the other, just a very slight dif mainly in color sat. Just my opinion though.

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I just knew this was going to get DNR'd, and lo and behold. Not that I thought the HD DVD looked that great to begin with.

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Here we go again.

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The screenshots posted by member eric.exe in the other thread clearly proves that the BD has a slight edge over the HD DVD.

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These threads are funny, it has gotten to the point where I know exactly what each regular is going to comment.

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For another thing i don't like the pale colors in the BD encode compared to the HD DVD, and that reflects almost every single shot.

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For another thing i don't like the pale colors in the BD encode compared to the HD DVD, and that reflects almost every single shot.


I can see dif people prefering one or the other or no preference in my case. To me, what you call pale, I see as slightly more natural. But again, I cant say I prefer one overall.

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