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A mixed bag. The PQ is very good to excellent for the most part especially wide shots and outdoor scenes. Comparable to Grand Prix. But there are scenes where the DNR have been turned up (in comparison to the rest of the transfer) resulting in smearing of the picture. This is notable mostly in medium shots and close ups. Minor artifacts is also visible. Meaning its not "grain" that you see there sometimes Not an issue to most. Its not a disaster by all means but Warner has been very good (most of the time) in treating their "A" catalog titles. So this is not up to par to the very best they have.

AQ is excellent. Is it as good as the SACD? I can't comment on that since its hard to do a A/B setup on a "Quiet room" Can anyone discern the difference? I don't know.

For only $14.99 at BB I think its worth a look and listen.
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Blu-ray File size: 31.20 GB

Bitrate: 16.68 mbps


Code:
                                                                                                                Total   Video                                             
Title                                                           Codec   Length  Movie Size      Disc Size       Bitrate Bitrate Main Audio Track                          Secondary Audio Track
-----                                                           ------  ------- --------------  --------------  ------- ------- ------------------                        ---------------------
00000.MPLS                                                      VC-1    3:00:25 33,561,182,208  37,001,491,176  24.80   16.68   Dolby TrueHD 5.1 1396Kbps (48kHz/16-bit)  DD AC3 5.1 640Kbps


DISC INFO:

Disc Title:     Amadeus Blu-ray
Disc Size:      37,001,491,176 bytes
Protection:     AACS
BD-Java:        No
BDInfo:         0.5.1

PLAYLIST REPORT:

Name:                   00000.MPLS
Size:                   33,561,182,208 bytes
Length:                 3:00:25 (h:m:s)
Total Bitrate:          24.80 Mbps
Description:            

VIDEO:

Codec                   Bitrate             Description     
-----                   -------             -----------     
VC-1 Video              16681 kbps          1080p / 23.976 fps / 16:9 / Advanced Profile 3

AUDIO:

Codec                           Language        Bitrate         Description     
-----                           --------        -------         -----------     
Dolby TrueHD Audio              English         1396 kbps       5.1 / 48 kHz / 1396 kbps / 16-bit (AC3 Core: 5.1 / 48 kHz / 640 kbps)
Dolby Digital Audio             English         640 kbps        5.1 / 48 kHz / 640 kbps
Dolby Digital Audio             French          640 kbps        5.1 / 48 kHz / 640 kbps
Dolby Digital Audio             German          640 kbps        5.1 / 48 kHz / 640 kbps
Dolby Digital Audio             Italian         640 kbps        5.1 / 48 kHz / 640 kbps
Dolby Digital Audio             Spanish         640 kbps        5.1 / 48 kHz / 640 kbps
Dolby Digital Audio             English         192 kbps        1.0 / 48 kHz / 192 kbps

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-----                           --------        -------         -----------     
Presentation Graphics           English         23.739 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           Danish          20.437 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           Dutch           19.864 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           Finnish         22.653 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           French          21.212 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           German          25.693 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           Italian         21.446 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           Italian         23.513 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           Japanese        20.539 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           Japanese        36.090 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           Korean          17.449 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           Korean          27.155 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           Norwegian       20.520 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           Polish          20.112 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           Portuguese      23.918 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           Portuguese      21.350 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           Spanish         22.344 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           Spanish         22.570 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           Swedish         21.592 kbps                     

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Name            Time In         Length          Size            Total Bitrate   
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00000.M2TS      0:00:00.000     3:00:25.689     33,561,182,208  24,801          

CHAPTERS:

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2               0:04:43.574     0:05:04.178     15,162 kbps     25,647 kbps     00:05:42.216    22,814 kbps     00:05:39.213    21,452 kbps     00:07:46.883    79,050 bytes    228,866 bytes   00:05:40.506    
3               0:09:47.753     0:03:04.809     12,223 kbps     20,126 kbps     00:12:42.136    16,554 kbps     00:10:25.374    16,223 kbps     00:10:20.119    63,725 bytes    300,594 bytes   00:12:28.998    
4               0:12:52.563     0:07:06.467     14,799 kbps     26,454 kbps     00:19:40.679    21,934 kbps     00:18:42.246    19,867 kbps     00:17:22.750    77,156 bytes    298,762 bytes   00:15:42.024    
5               0:19:59.031     0:04:35.191     16,811 kbps     29,840 kbps     00:22:47.115    28,679 kbps     00:22:47.574    27,210 kbps     00:22:43.820    87,647 bytes    371,298 bytes   00:22:52.120    
6               0:24:34.222     0:02:17.929     16,927 kbps     23,357 kbps     00:25:54.219    19,375 kbps     00:25:45.085    18,784 kbps     00:25:45.794    88,249 bytes    335,605 bytes   00:26:03.103    
7               0:26:52.152     0:04:40.571     17,243 kbps     30,326 kbps     00:28:03.848    26,367 kbps     00:28:00.053    23,685 kbps     00:27:54.798    89,895 bytes    342,511 bytes   00:30:50.765    
8               0:31:32.724     0:05:55.521     16,416 kbps     25,809 kbps     00:37:23.324    22,605 kbps     00:37:13.898    21,519 kbps     00:37:09.894    85,586 bytes    318,747 bytes   00:35:51.607    
9               0:37:28.246     0:05:52.852     18,038 kbps     40,794 kbps     00:42:53.988    34,598 kbps     00:42:36.512    31,522 kbps     00:42:31.423    94,043 bytes    365,606 bytes   00:42:53.153    
10              0:43:21.098     0:02:06.876     20,738 kbps     28,475 kbps     00:43:29.732    26,111 kbps     00:43:26.979    24,472 kbps     00:43:25.936    108,119 bytes   333,768 bytes   00:45:27.891    
11              0:45:27.975     0:02:23.768     21,962 kbps     37,602 kbps     00:47:28.679    33,402 kbps     00:47:27.177    31,163 kbps     00:47:26.927    114,498 bytes   325,618 bytes   00:46:41.507    
12              0:47:51.743     0:02:50.378     15,749 kbps     23,859 kbps     00:48:39.291    20,390 kbps     00:48:09.052    18,698 kbps     00:48:05.883    82,108 bytes    278,360 bytes   00:48:19.897    
13              0:50:42.122     0:05:08.975     16,728 kbps     41,799 kbps     00:53:50.769    27,924 kbps     00:53:08.059    25,187 kbps     00:53:08.018    87,211 bytes    389,010 bytes   00:53:50.810    
14              0:55:51.097     0:03:08.438     12,661 kbps     20,389 kbps     00:58:15.658    19,057 kbps     00:58:13.740    17,445 kbps     00:58:08.860    66,006 bytes    284,082 bytes   00:56:32.180    
15              0:58:59.536     0:03:28.374     14,452 kbps     23,485 kbps     01:02:13.938    19,947 kbps     01:00:38.718    18,594 kbps     01:00:37.675    75,346 bytes    235,851 bytes   01:00:13.943    
16              1:02:27.910     0:06:06.657     15,415 kbps     25,083 kbps     01:02:37.003    22,552 kbps     01:02:34.041    20,229 kbps     01:05:26.505    80,367 bytes    294,344 bytes   01:03:41.651    
17              1:08:34.568     0:01:19.871     14,991 kbps     22,147 kbps     01:08:59.385    21,367 kbps     01:08:55.464    18,639 kbps     01:08:55.131    78,156 bytes    310,096 bytes   01:09:34.628    
18              1:09:54.440     0:03:22.118     12,606 kbps     22,670 kbps     01:09:57.735    19,148 kbps     01:09:56.150    16,223 kbps     01:09:54.440    65,724 bytes    324,823 bytes   01:09:56.442    
19              1:13:16.558     0:02:54.924     14,579 kbps     25,930 kbps     01:13:53.095    23,092 kbps     01:13:49.550    20,870 kbps     01:13:17.518    76,009 bytes    308,446 bytes   01:14:36.346    
20              1:16:11.483     0:04:37.068     19,347 kbps     31,030 kbps     01:18:50.559    26,687 kbps     01:19:52.037    26,047 kbps     01:16:31.420    100,866 bytes   337,184 bytes   01:16:34.006    
21              1:20:48.552     0:02:36.948     18,761 kbps     28,394 kbps     01:20:49.761    26,735 kbps     01:20:49.302    25,216 kbps     01:20:48.593    97,810 bytes    300,944 bytes   01:20:51.555    
22              1:23:25.500     0:03:05.435     15,285 kbps     23,488 kbps     01:24:48.625    21,357 kbps     01:24:48.083    19,353 kbps     01:24:46.331    79,689 bytes    283,343 bytes   01:26:30.894    
23              1:26:30.935     0:03:32.170     15,179 kbps     24,626 kbps     01:28:56.998    21,480 kbps     01:28:56.122    19,619 kbps     01:29:46.255    79,138 bytes    273,056 bytes   01:28:57.165    
24              1:30:03.106     0:03:51.105     21,374 kbps     38,402 kbps     01:32:49.730    31,059 kbps     01:32:06.938    27,180 kbps     01:32:43.266    111,434 bytes   378,704 bytes   01:31:58.429    
25              1:33:54.211     0:06:34.102     18,427 kbps     31,413 kbps     01:34:44.345    28,781 kbps     01:34:41.467    25,011 kbps     01:34:39.715    96,070 bytes    428,092 bytes   01:36:45.257    
26              1:40:28.313     0:04:37.944     18,144 kbps     36,539 kbps     01:40:30.024    30,923 kbps     01:40:29.982    28,157 kbps     01:40:29.940    94,595 bytes    382,641 bytes   01:42:55.252    
27              1:45:06.258     0:02:14.717     18,444 kbps     29,268 kbps     01:46:45.690    24,738 kbps     01:45:48.175    23,632 kbps     01:45:42.836    96,159 bytes    396,163 bytes   01:46:46.358    
28              1:47:20.976     0:03:00.513     18,982 kbps     31,201 kbps     01:47:27.732    28,626 kbps     01:47:27.732    27,880 kbps     01:49:19.886    98,966 bytes    353,726 bytes   01:47:23.979    
29              1:50:21.489     0:04:24.264     20,933 kbps     37,791 kbps     01:52:34.330    34,601 kbps     01:52:34.247    29,222 kbps     01:52:20.316    109,135 bytes   390,447 bytes   01:51:51.579    
30              1:54:45.753     0:06:18.544     17,738 kbps     33,290 kbps     01:59:51.642    30,999 kbps     01:59:49.557    27,862 kbps     01:59:49.515    92,477 bytes    400,439 bytes   01:56:21.265    
31              2:01:04.298     0:03:32.587     14,835 kbps     23,987 kbps     02:04:05.229    20,801 kbps     02:01:40.167    19,594 kbps     02:01:35.121    77,341 bytes    258,483 bytes   02:01:27.697    
32              2:04:36.886     0:02:13.758     18,100 kbps     21,633 kbps     02:05:40.491    20,133 kbps     02:06:18.445    19,577 kbps     02:06:26.036    94,363 bytes    244,669 bytes   02:04:55.279    
33              2:06:50.644     0:04:07.538     20,764 kbps     37,966 kbps     02:07:20.341    31,576 kbps     02:09:05.904    28,526 kbps     02:09:02.025    108,254 bytes   440,961 bytes   02:07:03.198    
34              2:10:58.183     0:02:06.543     16,255 kbps     24,507 kbps     02:11:13.657    22,514 kbps     02:11:13.156    20,512 kbps     02:11:12.155    84,745 bytes    290,443 bytes   02:12:26.980    
35              2:13:04.726     0:02:24.102     17,752 kbps     26,806 kbps     02:15:03.887    23,031 kbps     02:15:03.386    21,909 kbps     02:15:00.717    92,549 bytes    395,899 bytes   02:13:33.255    
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37              2:19:00.665     0:05:29.662     15,440 kbps     25,533 kbps     02:22:39.551    21,799 kbps     02:20:00.058    21,008 kbps     02:19:58.807    80,497 bytes    229,242 bytes   02:24:30.119    
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40              2:31:10.436     0:05:30.455     18,638 kbps     34,274 kbps     02:31:43.344    31,250 kbps     02:31:40.841    29,451 kbps     02:31:40.841    97,169 bytes    281,311 bytes   02:31:43.886    
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STREAM DIAGNOSTICS:

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----            ---             ----            -----           --------                --------------          --------------          -------------   -----           
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Ah, Warner and their bitrates. For some reason all their films don't need average bit rates in the 20s, only the other studios have such titles. How convenient.
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For only $14.99 at BB I think its worth a look and listen.

Wow, this is only $14.99 at BB?

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Ah, Warner and their bitrates. For some reason all their films don't need average bit rates in the 20s, only the other studios have such titles. How convenient.

Nicely said

I do not like Amadeus all that much but I wonder what they will do with other movies that I really care for and that really could profit a lot from higher bitrates.
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Wow, this is only $14.99 at BB?

Feb 15 on "sale".

But Not on release day.
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Feb 15 on "sale".

But Not on release day.

Are you saying it will be marked down to $14.99 on the 15th? Or is there something you have to do (or someone you have to know) to get that price?

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Ah, Warner and their bitrates. For some reason all their films don't need average bit rates in the 20s, only the other studios have such titles. How convenient.

Their encoding folks probably haven't gotten the memo that they don't have to encode for HD DVD anymore.

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Low Bit Rate AVC > Low Bit Rate VC-1
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Based on the screenshots, big improvement over the DVD. I'll have to give this one a rental - never saw the movie before.

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Are you saying it will be marked down to $14.99 on the 15th? Or is there something you have to do (or someone you have to know) to get that price?

It will be marked down to $14.99 at Best Buy during the week of Feb 15-21. You can probably expect Amazon to PM.
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Minor artifacts is also visible. Meaning its not "grain" that you see there sometimes Not an issue to most.

I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you, but how do you determine the difference between film grain and video noise grain? I believe film grain is usually more coarse and sometimes has a very fine blue/green like pattern to it; although sometimes it can be hard to tell depending on the frames and image, etc. Blocthy patterns also tend to indicate more in the way of artifacts it seems.

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I haven't seen the Director's cut DVD (Is this what you're comparing with?), but the 1997 flipper was attrocious.
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Question is does increasing the bit rate increase the cost of the encode?

If it does not, then the most likely reason is that they wanted a less grainy look to the final product.

If it were a classic game theory problem I'd approach it in the following way. The outcome we want is to maximize revenue from this title. The revenue is going to come from:

a. Upgrade people who have the DVD and are not videophiles
b. Upgrade people who have the DVD and are videophiles (DNR Hawks, folks who turn on bit rate monitors etc)
c. Sell to people who never bought the DVD and are not videophiles
d. Sell to people who never bought the DVD and are videophiles.

To me the best strategy is to have a 2 product strategy.

1. Offer a low cost product that targets the non videophile (more mainstream) market. Offer much better PQ and AQ at a reasonable cost.

2. At a later point offer a definitive version with higher price point for the videophile. That way, you may even end up upgrading some people in group 1.

Since the cost of offering product 2 over 1 is minimal they can capture the videophile market with a haigher margin product.

FWIW, I was able to pick Amadeus last night and it looks and sounds spectacular. I guess I am in the non-videophile category, but I am fine with that
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These screenshots easily make the case for a purchase.
Thanx Xylon.

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I love this movie. It is shipping from Amazon as I type. I can't wait!

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Looks good for a movie of its age. I don't see that hellish EE all over the place you usually get with older films.
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Wow. There's that signature WB processed look. On the other hand, there is a significant improvement over the DVD.
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So how's the soundtrack compared to the DVD director's cut?
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I agree that the screen grabs don't look great, but they definitely look loads better than the DVD. $14.99 makes it a no brainer.
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The detail in shot 1 is tremendous. You can almost read the sheet music, and check out the audience in the top right.

Shot 2 just looks really, really odd.
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The detail in shot 1 is tremendous. You can almost read the sheet music, and check out the audience in the top right.

Shot 2 just looks really, really odd.

The first shot demonstrates one of the things I like about HD that any film can benefit from. Assuming the focus is sharp enough, facial expressions can be made out from farther distances. In the BD shot, you can see the smile on his face.
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I have it on order from Amazon---certainly for the picture---but mostly for the sound.
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I have it on order from Amazon---certainly for the picture---but mostly for the sound.

I bought it mostly for the movie
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Any reason why any BD would have a low bitrate?
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Any reason why any BD would have a low bitrate?

Well in many similar cases it is related to this...



But at least it isn't on a BD-25 like many of their other releases.
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I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you, but how do you determine the difference between film grain and video noise grain? I believe film grain is usually more coarse and sometimes has a very fine blue/green like pattern to it; although sometimes it can be hard to tell depending on the frames and image, etc. Blocthy patterns also tend to indicate more in the way of artifacts it seems.

Take a look at the Blu-ray shot in post 5. To me, the noise in the image looks like block noise, rather than film grain, kinda like the artifacts in the The Thing HD DVD.

Back off man, I'm a scientist.
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