Originally Posted by oink
OK, now wait a minute, Chris.
I am confused here.
You said, "It's hard to tell whether the grain is brought out
because of the excessive sharpening, but it most likely is worsened"
Excessive grain is the result of excessive sharpening?
So when I bitch about excessive grain, I should really be bitching about excessive sharpening?
Well yeah, sharpening works mainly on high frequencies, and though the edges aren't huge in contrast with grain, grain is very high frequency, and sharpening can definitely exaggerate grain or noise that's present in the film/transfer.
That doesn't mean that what note as "excessive" grain is necessarily due to sharpening, but where there is combination of grain in the film AND sharpening being applied, that grain is likely to be made more visible by the sharpening.
That being said, I don't agree that it's fair to gripe about "excessive" grain if that presentation is accurate to the original film. However, it is fair to say that grain that is artificially exaggerated by other processes like sharpening is a departure from an accurate presentation. I don't know that to be the case with Fargo, however, as I've never seen an original film presentation of the film, and the amount of grain varies a good deal through the film, but I would expect it to be fairly accurate the amount of grain that you do see in the film. Some scenes though, are quite grainy, and this might be partly an exaggeration due to the rather significant sharpening that has been applied on the BD version.
Sharpening alone won't create grain or noise on its own, but it can exaggerate what's already there. I don't have any problem with grain or noise that is inherent to the film. Many people wrongly gripe about grain or noise in a DVD or HD transfer which is actually accurate to the original film. If the film was noisy or grainy, I want that preserved as a general principle, because noise reduction applied after the fact is usually (though not always) more harm than good. If DNR type stuff is going to be applied, I want it to be done and overseen by the original filmmakers, not by some studio after the fact because they think people won't like the noise. That, IMO, is crap, just like the crap sharpening that they applied to Fargo.