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Left is the original release. Right is the fixed release. Take note at the dates of the main movie file. Disney immediately put out a fixed release. And without informing the public. Nice.

Thanks for those people with sharp ears.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0sPZ7WAvV4A



From the "Give A Little Whistle" song "Right!" and "Look out Pinoch!" line is now back.





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Not as gorgeous as Sleeping Beauty but still an excellent transfer. Again DNR was used on this animation but did not result in any shape or form like what happened on another recent Blu-ray release classic animation Gulliver's Travel's. That one is a scam.

Some very few has complained or voiced disappointment on the transfer not because the grain is virtually gone but other stuff like "visible brushstrokes" or "wrong colors". I would like to know the point of reference here. Colors compared to what version? Lasredisc? VHS? Gold CC DVD? Original CEL? Did the blu-ray transfer went too far? To what degree?

I am not going to dismiss their point of view but the HD transfer yielded no negative result overall to me. The colors, saturation, the fine details where for the first time I am seeing them. Sure some ink lines has disappeared, colors changed between frames but I will personally overlook look that.


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BTW here is the scam. Then look at Pinnochio. 'Nuff said. For comparison only of course



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DVD Gold Classic Collection 1999 release.

DVD Platinum 2009

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Blu-ray letterbox File size: 22.20 GB

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Subtitle: English / 65.299 kbps
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Got me excited. Can't wait for these pics.
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Watched it this weekend with 3 generations of the family. Thought the PQ was excellent and everyone enjoyed it thoroughly.

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amazon shipped my copy so i'll have it tomorrow (tuesday)


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I don't have any copy, so I guess I'll have to pick this up. The best part of having the blu-rays is being able to really see everything in background. Clearly seeing the mailbox colors running down the building in the third set of pictures is spectacular.

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amazon shipped my copy so i'll have it tomorrow (tuesday)

Yeah, mine should be there when i get home from work. [IMG]http://************************************/img/2464/i09b0128lrvx/smile.gif[/IMG]
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The Blu-Ray looks the best to me overall, but the DVD holds up pretty well. I would have to say that "Sleeping Beauty" on Blu-Ray was a much more noticeable upgrade vs the DVD than "Pinocchio" IMHO. At least based on the screenshots. I hope to watch it today on Blu-Ray and will post my thoughts later. Excited to watch this with my 3 year old son as I grew up watching this movie and really enjoyed it. One of my favorite Disney classics.
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I don't have any copy, so I guess I'll have to pick this up. The best part of having the blu-rays is being able to really see everything in background. Clearly seeing the mailbox colors running down the building in the third set of pictures is spectacular.


In the same scene, Figaro (the cat) no longer blends with his shadow.

IMO this is an awesome job by Disney. Not sure why they dropped the ball so often with the "Platinum" releases on DVD, but so far the BD transfers have been top notch.

If only we could get fixes for the screw ups they did on the Beauty and the Beast and Peter Pan "Platinums" sooner than later.


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I'm confused as to why the shadowy outlines are killed in the scene with Pinoc sitting on the floor. I don't understand why that was done.
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They are only present on the blu-ray trailer; seems like they were added just for the trailer.

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I'm confused as to why the shadowy outlines are killed in the scene with Pinoc sitting on the floor. I don't understand why that was done.


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They are only present on the blu-ray trailer; seems like they were added just for the trailer.

That doesn't make sense. Why would they go to the trouble of adding shadowy outlines to characters just for a trailer??
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I remember more screwed up releases. :\\ Like Cinderella, The Lion King, Aladdin a bit too.

It would be hard to totally screw up this movie (I mean Pinocchio),the animation is so beautifull and detailed, and it's High Definition after all,
but I can't wait for the screenshots from the Gold Edition to see how much they have manipulated the colors and light in this one.
I will definitively wait for a more fortunate transfer. Shame, but IMHO it's not worth upgrading...
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I don't know. Maybe to make the trailer look sharp, since it hadn't been fully blu-rayified yet?

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If I remember correctly from my VHS copy, Pinocchio had a warmer color tone than what we got. But then again, whos to say that the VHS was right?
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I remember more screwed up releases. :\\ Like Cinderella, The Lion King, Aladdin a bit too.

It would be hard to totally screw up this movie (I mean Pinocchio),the animation is so beautifull and detailed, and it's High Definition after all,
but I can't wait for the screenshots from the Gold Edition to see how much they have manipulated the colors and light in this one.
I will definitively wait for a more fortunate transfer. Shame, but IMHO it's not worth upgrading...


Add Jungle Book to the list. I was just going what popped into my head at the time.

And who's to say the "Gold" (or "Limited", same disc, different name) DVD versions of the movie were correct?


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It seems to be...
I've read some animator's interviews (awailable on the web), and have seen some original prints of Snow White, that comes from more or less the same period, and have been through intense restoration, too.
The prints figure for example in a book included in the 1993 laserdisc set.
The truth is that I remember the animated Disney films from the early period
being very dark and with a mystery feel. The serious and a bit toned colors, and lots of light-shadow efects suited it perfectly, especially in dark night-look scenes, like the run through the forest in snow white or the locking-in-cage from pinocchio scene.
It's a fact that it was impossible to make movies look like the HD restoration in early 40's. I think it would have been better for those movies to stay the original way - I am sure the animators from that period knew exactly what they want, their limitations and that is why they have been drawing their movies in a specific way, leaving more to the process of creating negatives from drawings. Now some imperfectiond not seen before are exposed, not to mention it's sad to watch a dark scene not being dark at all.
The GOLD edition (though I am not saying is perfect) is definitively better for me. It shows perhaps too much the age of the film - the wood and walls are so orange, I don't know if that was intended. The transfer also has lots of digital artifacts, but I prefer it rather than the new release.
It's a shame, if it would have been well done, I believe this movie could look really amazing in HD. I hope future releases will be better. Sleeping Beauty BR was not perfect, too, but at least acceptable for me. The movie was more modern though, it was an easier job probably...
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I don't know. Maybe to make the trailer look sharp, since it hadn't been fully blu-rayified yet?

It still doesn't make sense. Look at those shadow outlines. They clearly look like they were drawn in, as if they were part of the original artwork. What you suggest is that shadow lines were drawn in, then removed. All that trouble just for a trailer??
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The Blu-Ray looks the best to me overall, but the DVD holds up pretty well. I would have to say that "Sleeping Beauty" on Blu-Ray was a much more noticeable upgrade vs the DVD than "Pinocchio" IMHO. At least based on the screenshots.

I was thinking the same thing. The DVD holds up pretty well. And while the blu-ray still clearly bests it, Sleeping Beauty was a more pronounced upgrade.

I enjoyed Pinocchio more than Sleepy Beauty when I was younger, so I'm looking forward to this release moreso than the former.

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It still doesn't make sense. Look at those shadow outlines. They clearly look like they were drawn in, as if they were part of the original artwork. What you suggest is that shadow lines were drawn in, then removed. All that trouble just for a trailer??

Is it possible the trailer is from a different master?

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It still doesn't make sense. Look at those shadow outlines. They clearly look like they were drawn in, as if they were part of the original artwork.

I was wondering the same thing

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No, it seems like they added 1940's edge enhancement for the trailer. LOL
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