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post #91 of 129 Old 07-02-2009, 02:01 PM
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It was promised, but it didn't come to pass. Sony claims that it can't be done, at least not for the amount of money they're willing to pay.

I heard it's not about money, but more about compatibility.
It is of course possible to include movable subs, but not all players support it well enough to be used commercially.
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They could always include 2 sets of subtitles, one completely inside the frame, and one out.
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They could always include 2 sets of subtitles, one completely inside the frame, and one out.

You've got to get out more.

Another AVS member already asked that question directly to me and your answer can be found here ..
http://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.ph...postcount=9971
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If you care to vote, then vote with this information in mind, as there has been a recent reversal of fortune for option #1 proponents .

http://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.ph...&postcount=144
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It was promised, but it didn't come to pass. Sony claims that it can't be done, at least not for the amount of money they're willing to pay.

Although I currently don't have a CIH setup, I do feel sympathy for those that do and have to live with the current state of affairs.

For my 73" RPTV, I prefer subs in the lower black bar for 2:35 (etc.) AR.
I have seen films where subs are between the bars and it annoys me.
Primarily because I only have 73" to work with.
Nonetheless, the guys with CIH certainly do need a solution.

For everyone involved, I just can't think of anything working better than movable subs...
Any other ideas?

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You’ve got to get out more.

Another AVS member already asked that question directly to me and your answer can be found here …..
http://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.ph...postcount=9971

Get out more? What does that have to do with subtitles?

Also, I find it incredibly hard to believe that making an extra set of subtitles costs a significant amount, considering I can adjust subtitle height with this FREE Blu-ray re-authoring program:



It takes about 5 minutes to extract the subtitles, and them mux them back into the movie file with a different height.
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Amazon.uk shipped my copy of CTHD. Looking forward to seeing this one in HD--I had to drive three hours to get to a theater that was playing this during its theatrical release, so I guess it's appropriate that I had to go to great lengths to get it on blu-ray.

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That's right Eric, there's simply no logic behind it being so expensive or diffult to do.
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Get out more? What does that have to do with subtitles?

Also, I find it incredibly hard to believe that making an extra set of subtitles costs a significant amount, considering I can adjust subtitle height with this FREE Blu-ray re-authoring program:



It takes about 5 minutes to extract the subtitles, and them mux them back into the movie file with a different height.

WOW, that's very cool.
Like Alex said, what the heck is so hard here?
Why can't this kind of thing be burned onto a chip and put into players allowing the user control?

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You've got to get out more.

Another AVS member already asked that question directly to me and your answer can be found here ..
http://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.ph...postcount=9971

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It is technically possible to have up to 32 subtitle streams, but if we double them up, then of course we will only have 16 languages.

The additional problem is that there is a significant cost to preparing dual streams and this is difficult to justify. Hence the reason that other studios don't do it, to my knowledge.

How much is significant?

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I have several quick and possibly silly questions for the tech savvy crew here...

1. There will not be an individual U.S. release outside the trilogy box set, correct? Can't find it anywhere online still.
2. So I need to buy a region free BluRay, right?
3. I want to confirm the region free BluRay will work on my PS3. Will it?
4. Where is the best and most trusted site to make this purchase if this is the case?

THANKS,
A simply guy with simple BluRay needs (with a lot of simple questions)
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My copy will be here from the UK in a week or so. I'll let you know how my PS3 handles it.

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Play.com still lists this as steelbook. Has anyone ordered their copy from them and can confirm if its a steelbook?
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Play.com still lists this as steelbook. Has anyone ordered their copy from them and can confirm if its a steelbook?

http://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.ph...2&postcount=73
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Thanks GiantChicken, let me know.
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A review from DVD Times with better screenshots, and it looks excellent.

(The ones on DVD Active look like they were taken at half vertical resolution or something, there's some fairly prominent aliasing.)
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I know I am biased because I have a CIH setup, but I think the simple solution is to have the subs in the picture frame no matter what the aspect ratio is. With one simple solution, there should be no additional cost and everyone can see the subs.
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post #108 of 129 Old 07-07-2009, 10:12 AM - Thread Starter
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A review from DVD Times with better screenshots, and it looks excellent.

(The ones on DVD Active look like they were taken at half vertical resolution or something, there's some fairly prominent aliasing.)

seriously SS from dvd Active were pretty depressing to look at as far as pq was concerned!

Still it is pretty soft, film like look, but as long as it is faithful to its theatric look I am contented! Some how I did like DTV HD presentation of it that always looked pale though in front of curse of golden flower, that had a very different look and feel to it.
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If you care to vote, then vote with this information in mind, as there has been a recent reversal of fortune for option #1 proponents ………….

http://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.ph...&postcount=144

What?? No subtitles in the picture? We have to "lobby" to make Sony do this? (even though they did this on "Mongol")

What is the "ooohh so mighty BD Java" used for??

We where promised moveable subtitles (at least 2 positions), 2 subtitle sizes and 2 subtitle colors as a mandatory specs in BD!

Have Sony not yet understood that BD is a consumer product meant to serve the consumers (so they are willing to pay for it) and not a product serving their industrial partner politics, money pincing on features and a general lack of understanding of what are the needs of the paying consumers and what makes a great consumer product?
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What?? No subtitles in the picture? We have to "lobby" to make Sony do this? (even though they did this on "Mogul")

What is the "ooohh so mighty BD Java" used for??

We where promised moveable subtitles (at least 2 positions), 2 subtitle sizes and 2 subtitle colors as a mandatory specs in BD!

Have Sony not yet understood that BD is a consumer product meant to serve the consumers (so they are willing to pay for it) and not a product serving their industrial partner politics, money pincing on features and a general lack of understanding of what are the needs of the paying consumers and what makes a great consumer product?

I think you meant " MONGOL" Yes! Sony are pretty good in re authoring to sell you another one lol.
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I think you meant " MONGOL" Yes! Sony are pretty good in re authoring to sell you another one lol.

Thank you! "fixed".
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Play.com still lists this as steelbook. Has anyone ordered their copy from them and can confirm if its a steelbook?

I got mine today from amazon.uk, it is the steelbook edition
Took 4 days to get to south florida..
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Got mine today and hadn't been expecting a steelbook.

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could not see!

Click on your address bar and hit enter to see the pics.
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Click on your address bar and hit enter to see the pics.

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Read through the thread linked to find cuts on the US release:

http://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread....rouching+tiger
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Haven't found the answer to the earlier question... is the Steelbook edition region locked or can U.S. players play it? Also, I looked on AmazonUK's description and it said it was PAL format.
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I got the steelbook from Amazon UK and it is region free and plays in both my Vaio laptop and PS3.

PAL is not an issue with Blu-ray, as far as I understand.

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