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post #421 of 2590 Old 06-18-2009, 04:08 AM
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^ Lemme ask this then...if the TE discs do have sub-par PQ, is there any hope/chance the EE's will look any better? Or is it likely they'll just use the same slice (encode/bitrate) merely with the added parts dropped in? Guess all we can do is hope for the best.

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Scrubbed. But hey its only a trailer anyways. Anything can happen. When I downloaded it from Warner's BD-Live the size is in excess of around 100 mb. I will take a look at it again tomorrow to check the exact file size and the exact playback duration. But nah . . . .

. . . . there is just no chance the Blu-ray will be New-Line'ized™. The first time I saw Frodo's close up I said to myself "Oh hell no!" but I know its only a downloadable trailer so you never know what bitrates and rez they used.

And before anyone ask me I have the HD broadcasts of all the movies and it looks great. The upcoming disc should trump it (as long as NOTHING is taken away from the transfer).
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Scrubbed. But hey its only a trailer anyways. Anything can happen. When I downloaded it from Warner's BD-Live the size is in excess of around 100 mb. I will take a look at it again tomorrow to check the exact file size and the exact playback duration. But nah . . . .

. . . . there is just no chance the Blu-ray will be New-Line'ized™. The first time I saw Frodo's close up I said to myself "Oh hell no!" but I know its only a downloadable trailer so you never know what bitrates and rez they used.

And before anyone ask me I have the HD broadcasts of all the movies and it looks great. The upcoming disc should trump it (as long as NOTHING is taken away from the transfer).

So you didn't see the trailers on the Woodstock BD?

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Gran Turino or some of the recent WB releases using BD-Live. It should be the same. But if its not I could check Woodstock too.

I have too many discs and not enough time to watch them all.
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could someone post some caps from the HD trailer for LOTR that was on woodstock?
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Gran Turino or some of the recent WB releases using BD-Live. It should be the same. But if its not I could check Woodstock too.

I have too many discs and not enough time to watch them all.

It's on disc 2 of Woodstock and it's the first thing that plays. I'll have to watch again but from what I remember it looked pretty darn good.

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It's on disc 2 of Woodstock and it's the first thing that plays. I'll have to watch again but from what I remember it looked pretty darn good.

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Well thats good enough for me I will still buy it.

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Reminds me of a Disney BD that had a trailer for Sleeping Beauty that did not impress but the actual disc was drastically better.
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Heh, just forced me to examine my Gran Torino disc, only popped it in and watched the movie last week....no sign of the trailer, oh well.

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Heh, just forced me to examine my Gran Torino disc, only popped it in and watched the movie last week....no sign of the trailer, oh well.

You have to activate the BD-Live feature, trailer is not on the disc.
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Thats very true, but isn't Peter Jackson having some involvement of the BD release? I assumed he will be looking over it and making sure thats its done properly.

He has mentioned it numerous times, but how involved he ACTUALLY is, I am not sure.

In terms of LFE, size does matter!
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I have HDTV caps of all 3 movies and if the Blu-rays are only as good as the broadcasts were, you are all in for a treat. So everybody stop worrying!
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It's on disc 2 of Woodstock and it's the first thing that plays. I'll have to watch again but from what I remember it looked pretty darn good.

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Its been a long wait to get the LOTR movies on BD, so may we trust a hope that they look pretty damn good!

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I watched it again last night and I'm not changing my opinion. Whatever happens, there's nothing we can do about it.

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Put in my copy of Gran Torino and downloaded the LOTR trailer via BD-Live. It is a high def version of the "Supertrailer" that was released on the DVD included in the collector's edition version of the Return of the King soundtrack. Runs almost seven minutes long.

For those who are interested, here is the BD-Live synopsis:

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The Quest Is Over: Director Peter Jackson's Epic Trilogy from J.R.R. Tolkien's Classic Books Makes Its Long-Awaited Hi-Def Debut on Brilliant Blu-Ray.
All 3 Theatrical Versions in Lustrous 1080p and Dolby TrueHD 5.1 Audio.
Deluxe 7-Disc Set Includes 3 Special Features DVDs with 7+ Hours of Spellbinding Behind-the-Moviemaking Material and a Bonus Disc Containing Digital Copies of All 3 Adventures.

I am going to assume that the 3 DVDs will be each of the second discs in the previously released theatrical two-disc sets. I guess it's nice to have them tossed in, but it's too bad they didn't go to the trouble of giving us any of the special features in high def. This is probably the way they will go with the extended editions--the movies themselves on Blu-ray with commentaries, plus six discs of special features in standard def on regular DVD. (Same approach as the Matrix set--so maybe the two discs of special features per EE LOTRO film will be slapped on a two sided DVD.)

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Put in my copy of Gran Torino and downloaded the LOTR trailer via BD-Live. It is a high def version of the "Supertrailer" that was released on the DVD included in the collector's edition version of the Return of the King soundtrack. Runs almost seven minutes long.

For those who are interested, here is the BD-Live synopsis:



I am going to assume that the 3 DVDs will be each of the second discs in the previously released theatrical two-disc sets. I guess it's nice to have them tossed in, but it's too bad they didn't go to the trouble of giving us any of the special features in high def. This is probably the way they will go with the extended editions--the movies themselves on Blu-ray with commentaries, plus six discs of special features in standard def on regular DVD. (Same approach as the Matrix set--so maybe the two discs of special features per EE LOTRO film will be slapped on a two sided DVD.)

WHat is the quality of that demo... would this be a good demo sequence to play straight through?? I have a few coming over Saturday and this would be a neat thing to play.. I have a copy of Gran Torino.

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WHat is the quality of that demo... would this be a good demo sequence to play straight through?? I have a few coming over Saturday and this would be a neat thing to play.. I have a copy of Gran Torino.

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Just for the record, it doesn't look like you need Gran Torino to access the trailer. Any WB BD Live enabled disc should work. I'm downloading it right now using my Dark Knight disc. It's 187MB (I think that's what it said), and if it's 7ish minutes long, then we shouldn't expect the quality to be that great. But I'll be able to tell you in a few minutes once it downloads.

EDIT: And it looks like what you'd expect from a 187MB 6:40 downloaded file. A fair amount of banding in the gradients, a bit of blocking at times. Not absolutely terrible, but certainly not up to BD standards at all (nor should it be since it's a download).
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I watched it again last night and I'm not changing my opinion. Whatever happens, there's nothing we can do about it.

That's not very encouraging.
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That's not very encouraging.

??? I previously said I thought BD trailers looked excellent. And when I viewed them again I didn't see a reason to change my mind. Regardless of the endless speculation and such, there's nothing that anybody here can do to influence what we'll finally see - the reason for my last comment.

I don't think I mentioned it earlier but the trailers on the Woodstock disc were VC-1. Didn't pay too much attention to the bit rates. 12-22 Mbs was about the range I remember seeing for a short period of time.

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, there's nothing anybody here can do to influence what we'll finally see
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Blu-ray.com now confirms the Nov. 3 date:

Lord of the Rings BD Trilogy for November

New Line Cinema New Line Home Home Entertainment, in conjunction with Warner Home Video, has finally revealed the release date and first details for the Blu-ray edition of 'The Lord of the Rings: The Motion Picture Trilogy'. This title will come out on November 3. It will contain the original theatrical versions, and also digital copies for all three films.

http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=2943

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Blu-ray.com now confirms the Nov. 3 date:

Lord of the Rings BD Trilogy for November

New Line Cinema New Line Home Home Entertainment, in conjunction with Warner Home Video, has finally revealed the release date and first details for the Blu-ray edition of 'The Lord of the Rings: The Motion Picture Trilogy'. This title will come out on November 3. It will contain the original theatrical versions, and also digital copies for all three films.

http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=2943

great stuff, still quite awhile away. I can do without the digital copies though.

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Nice to see a date now! With these "officially" hitting as well as Braveheart, Gladiator and a few other personal faves coming, this will have turned out to be a great year afterall.

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With these versions getting dolby truHD 5.1, I really hope the extendeds get what they deserve like in the past.

DTS MA 7.1 is mandatory!!!

This trilogy has historically been some of the best reference audio to show off/test your system.

I will be very disappointed if the new blu's do not continue that tradition.
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With these versions getting dolby truHD 5.1, I really hope the extendeds get what they deserve like in the past.

DTS MA 7.1 is mandatory!!!

This trilogy has historically been some of the best reference audio to show off/test your system.

I will be very disappointed if the new blu's do not continue that tradition.

While I agree, we shouldn't be surprised by this move. Yet another ploy on the part of Warner consistant with the biggest double dip strategy in the history of home video. While I appreciate that some look at this as better than nothing, the feedback on Amazon gives me comfort. The faster the sell through on the TE, the sooner we'll get the EE and 7.1.

While there is lots of historical precedent for this, it would have been nice to provide both versions in a single package to really boost consumer interest in BD. Instead, Warner divides us all.
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There's enough consumer backlash on this that Warner will probably issue the EEs sooner rather than later.
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There's enough consumer backlash on this that Warner will probably issue the EEs sooner rather than later.

Right around the time The Hobbit marketing push begins?

I will wait for the EEs before buying LOTR.

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Right around the time The Hobbit marketing push begins?

I will wait for the EEs before buying LOTR.

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I'll just rent the theatrical version and purchase the Extended Editions.

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