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post #1 of 32 Old 04-11-2009, 07:57 AM - Thread Starter
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I am doing this hoping that it will put to rest Koch's claims that nothing was cropped or stretched from their recent BD release.

I used the BD captures from DVD Beaver and took some DVD screenshots to match. Some of them are not exact frame matches, but this was as close as I could manage with PowerDVD.

I've left the caps alone and saved them in Ping.
The order is as follows:

Koch Blu-Ray
Image entertainment's original release
Winstar's 60th anniversary edition
Culture Publishers/Panasonic Japanese release (burnt-in subs)




(Now that all my sources are clear, Mr. Lizardo should be happy) You know, my hat's off to Xylon and guys like him who bother to upload comparisons on a regular basis. Grabbing these frames took me all morning. Not to mention the image hosting chores and expenses. Everyone is free to use my caps for other comparisons.
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Comparison 1:



Koch BD (reduced for comparison):


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Comparison 2:



Koch BD (reduced for comparison):


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Comparison 3:



Koch BD (reduced for comparison):


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Comparison 4:



Koch BD (reduced for comparison):


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Comparison 5:



Koch BD (reduced for comparison):


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Comparison 6:



Koch BD (reduced for comparison):


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Comparison 7:



Koch BD (reduced for comparison):


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It's shocking how bad the Blu Ray version is.

The Image entertainment version looks to me to be the best of the bunch although the Winstar edition seems cleaned up and brighter so maybe it's better. I would need to see them in motion. Image version does seem a little faded.
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Indeed, I always thought the Image version was superior, but now that I see them side -by side I am surprised it doesn't hold up better.

All the DVDs are interlaced, as you can see from some of the captures. The Winstar looks somewhat blurry in motion, but there are no skipped frames like the BD. I noticed the Winstar release seems to be less cropped than the others as well.
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The colors in the Image one look closer to how it probably originally looked. I could easily live with that one.

I'm not sure Blu-ray higher definition buys you a whole lot in cartoons, particularly when they are over-restored. I'm glad I got the Blu-ray Pinocchio but I don't have a really big urge to replace Snow White.

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The colors in the Image one look closer to how it probably originally looked. I could easily live with that one.

I'm not sure Blu-ray higher definition buys you a whole lot in cartoons, particularly when they are over-restored. I'm glad I got the Blu-ray Pinocchio but I don't have a really big urge to replace Snow White.

The resolution and colors would be vastly improved for animation which was originally intended for cinematic distribution so in my opinion if done right it buys you a whole lot more than SD could ever hope to show.

I will be buying Snow White.

The problem with Gulliver's Travels is nothing to do with over restoration and everything to do with a company which doesn't know what the word restoration actually means and probably didn't have a good enough original print to restore it anyway. From what i can gather the people at the company responsible for this mess don't even understand aspect ratio terms and why cropping is so bad.
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Comparing restoration of this with Disney animation is silly.

Wait, is there REALLY any restoration on this animation at all? It looks more like enhanced VHS tape. I don't see any sign of digital remastering. Disney have great computer software to help them to achieve a level of clarity and color not possible before on film. I don't really think Gulliver can even be compared with disney animations.
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It looks like someone went filter crazy all over the BR version.
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Huge thanks for providing this valuable comparison.
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It's shocking how bad the Blu Ray version is.

The Image entertainment version looks to me to be the best of the bunch although the Winstar edition seems cleaned up and brighter so maybe it's better. I would need to see them in motion. Image version does seem a little faded.

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Indeed, I always thought the Image version was superior, but now that I see them side -by side I am surprised it doesn't hold up better.

All the DVDs are interlaced, as you can see from some of the captures. The Winstar looks somewhat blurry in motion, but there are no skipped frames like the BD. I noticed the Winstar release seems to be less cropped than the others as well.

I think the Image Entertainment version looks a bit more soft compared to the Winstar Edition. The Image Entertainment version also seems a bit cropped itself (and vertically stretched, too) - especially comparing the second set of pictures.
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What looks worse than anything is how the cropped and stretched it.

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The blu-ray grabs are disgusting. How can anyone watch that?
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Thanks.

After seeing this comparison I am half-convinced all they did for the Blu-ray was take the Winstar source (or perhaps even the DVD!) upscale it to 1080p and filter the hell out of it. The colours, EE and colour bleeding match too well between the Winstar/Koch to be a coincidence.
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After seeing this comparison I am half-convinced all they did for the Blu-ray was take the Winstar source (or perhaps even the DVD!) upscale it to 1080p and filter the hell out of it. The colours, EE and colour bleeding match too well between the Winstar/Koch to be a coincidence.

Agreed. On the Winstar cap of Gulliver pulling the ships, you can see the composite dot crawl in the red reflections on the water. On the BD this looks to be there as well, only muddied by the upscaling and DNR. It's quite apparent in motion.
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Oh, and by the way, both the Winstar DVD and the BD are credited to "DR." Thomas Reich (who also has left a "customer review" of the BD over on Amazon. Shameless, this man, if it is indeed him.)

I'd love to get his reactions to these screenshots. I am sure he'd claim they were doctored.
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I needed the space on my server for other things, so I was just about to delete these images.

For the sake of posterity I decided to move them to imageshack instead. Please let me know if there's any trouble getting the images to show.

P.S. Love the "Old thread warning" that popped up when I entered this. Indeed, this subject needs no further discussion, but I'd like the caps to be available for any poor sod who bought the Gulliver Blu Ray.
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Still the worst looking blu-ray ever made.
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Wow. Just... just, wow. Truly, truly wretched. Definitely the worst I've seen on the format, bar none.
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The BDA shouldn't even allow that sort of thing to go out with the logo on the package.

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I think this german DVD is the best Version on the Market but its OOP.
Here you can see any Shots:
http://forum.cinefacts.de/217576-scr...ml#post7358351
Here is the german amazon Link for this DVD:
http://www.amazon.de/Gullivers-Reise...434242&sr=1-14
There is only german sound and text panels on the DVD.
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Thunderbean's Fleischer Classics Featuring Gulliver's Travels:

http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Fleischer-Classics-Featuring-Gullivers-Travels-Blu-ray/82468/#Review

Overall the images make this look promising although it appears the blue channel is scrubbed making large blue areas blocky compared to the rest of the image and probably why the ink outlines seem soft. Wish a 'raw' version was included. There are no caps of the shorts which I am more interested in. My one complaint is mailing to Canada is almost the same price as the BD itself.

Still it is does show that a big budget is not needed to do a quality BD of cartoons despite some claims otherwise, just some competence (I am looking at you Disney :P).
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My goodness! What a difference! Justice has been served. ^_^
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Yup, Thunderbean's done a wonderful job on this, though the choice of shorts is variable, IMHO.

I'd pay big money for a similarly cleaned up Blu of Somewhere in Dreamland.
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There is a lot of Fleischer free-domain stuff people want like Popeye and Superman shorts.
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