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Let's start with the good:

Better than DVD.

For a Trek fan the supplements are plenty.

Star Trek II: Wrath Of Khan

Other than some really ugly DNR work in the beginning:



The rest of the movie is much better:





The Bad:

0

The Ugly:

For people who sees high-definition transfers and use "DVD" as a benchmark for PQ please listen and learn. This place is where we spend a lot of time and money getting the best a home cinema can offer. Any "talking points" and "damage control" excuses or "AVS are just a bunch of people that watches movies 1 inch from their 8 foot screen" mockery are not welcome here. If you still don't understand this then this thread is not for you.


I will describe the overall picture quality of the set in the best geeky Trek fan voice, Epic Fail. The only reason I was able to get thru the movies are the commentary tracks. That kept me from hitting the stop button. From what I can see the source material are in very good shape. Unfortunately all of that is nullified with the extensive use of Digital Noise Reduction resulting in an image looking "waxy" or "plastic". A very ugly processed look. Now correct me if I'm wrong can anyone tell me any film maker would like his movie loooking like this? Anyone?

The studios apparently are mistaking film grain as noise. Its incomprehensible that this is being allowed by the same people who makes the movies. What happened to "preserving the aristic integrity" of the movie. Why do they have to manipulate and change the look to appease the videogame crowd? The CGI loving masses? The overwhelming majority of people that hates film grain. Don't they realize that its not the same movie anymore? Is there anyone out there that is in charge of quality control ?

Attention to studios and the "Yes" men. This is the YEAR 2009 where the consumer has come close, much closer in recreating the theater experience at home. You are no longer putting these on a standard definition DVDs anymore. Its now 1920 x 1080p on a disc. Using high definition viewing sets. You can't count on 27" CRTs to hide your "artwork". That is over.

And what is this "depends on the size of your TV" excuse? Its doesn't matter if you are watching this on a 24" LCD or a 120" screen. The detail or the lack of it will be the same. Does anyone honestly think that the video processing of their "TV" will add the lost fine detail? We are talking about the transfer on the disc. Not the perceived quality.

I have been an advocate of buying instead of renting of discs especially catalog movies. As long as the transfers looks very good with no excessive DNR manipulations. Unfortunately after all this time its still a crapshoot. So to the people who wants to save money always have a lookout for early reviews. As much as they hate me me saying this, lookout for early screenshots posted too. By the way what happened to that person(s) mocking and dismissing the screenshots posted before and claiming there is no DNR? So what is the verdict after watching the movie?

Buy, rent or ignore. Simple choices. We did not invest all this money to get amateur hack jobs. Cut it out.



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Star Trek: The Motion Picture

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Title                                                           Codec   Length  Movie Size      Disc Size       Bitrate Bitrate Main Audio Track                          Secondary Audio Track
-----                                                           ------  ------- --------------  --------------  ------- ------- ------------------                        ---------------------
00005.MPLS                                                      AVC     2:12:00 39,315,087,360  47,146,591,776  39.71   30.80   Dolby TrueHD 7.1 4677Kbps (48kHz/24-bit)  


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Disc Title:     STAR_TREK_I_AC
Disc Size:      47,146,591,776 bytes
Protection:     AACS
BD-Java:        Yes
BDInfo:         0.5.2

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-----                   -------             -----------     
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-----                           --------        -------         -----------     
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Dolby Digital Audio             English         224 kbps        2.0 / 48 kHz / 224 kbps
Dolby Digital Audio             French          224 kbps        2.0 / 48 kHz / 224 kbps / Dolby Surround
Dolby Digital Audio             Spanish         224 kbps        2.0 / 48 kHz / 224 kbps

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Star Trek II: Wrath Of Khan

Code:
                                                                                                                Total   Video        

                                     
Title                                                           Codec   Length  Movie Size      Disc Size       Bitrate Bitrate Main 

Audio Track                          Secondary Audio Track
-----                                                           ------  ------- --------------  --------------  ------- ------- ---

---------------                        ---------------------
00005.MPLS                                                      AVC     1:53:01 35,179,321,344  48,107,892,978  41.50   32.34   

Dolby TrueHD 7.1 4509Kbps (48kHz/24-bit)  


DISC INFO:

Disc Title:     STAR_TREK_2_AC
Disc Size:      48,107,892,978 bytes
Protection:     AACS
BD-Java:        Yes
BDInfo:         0.5.2

PLAYLIST REPORT:

Name:                   00005.MPLS
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Description:            

VIDEO:

Codec                   Bitrate             Description     
-----                   -------             -----------     
MPEG-4 AVC Video        32344 kbps          1080p / 23.976 fps / 16:9 / High Profile 4.1

AUDIO:

Codec                           Language        Bitrate         Description     
-----                           --------        -------         -----------     
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kbps)
Dolby Digital Audio             English         224 kbps        2.0 / 48 kHz / 224 kbps
Dolby Digital Audio             English         224 kbps        2.0 / 48 kHz / 224 kbps
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Presentation Graphics           English         33.793 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           French          25.955 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           French          0.126 kbps                      
Presentation Graphics           Portuguese      27.889 kbps                     
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Presentation Graphics           Spanish         0.029 kbps                      

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10Sec Rate  Max 10Sec Time  Avg Frame Size  Max Frame Size  Max Frame Time  
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   -------------   -----           
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   189,891,072     1,059,660       
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   189,891,072     1,059,660       
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Star Trek III: The Search For Spock

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Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home

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This thread will decide if I'll cancel my order or not

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On TMP (#1) you can see where the DNR scrubbed away detail, but the picture is still obviously superior to the DVD release (at least as far as detail is concerned). I'm not too sure what to make of the brightness change though.

On TWOK (#2) it's more of a wash. Grain is obviously missing, but detail doesn't seem to be affected (haven't spent much time looking at this, maybe I missed something). More disturbing to me is the color shift. How was this supposed to look? Is the color shift correcting the previous releases and making it appear as it did theatrically, or is this someone thinking it looks better this way?

I'll pick it up today, but Paramount could have done better, which is unfortunate.

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This shot looks so much better in the "before DNR" cap. In the BD, the Enterprise looks like a cartoon -- it kind of pops out of the background in a very unnatural way.
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On TWOK (#2) it's more of a wash. Grain is obviously missing, but detail doesn't seem to be affected (haven't spent much time looking at this, maybe I missed something). More disturbing to me is the color shift. How was this supposed to look? Is the color shift correcting the previous releases and making it appear as it did theatrically, or is this someone thinking it looks better this way?

I saw an older film print of it just a few years ago, and I don't remember it having this blue coloring.
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Forgetting the DNR at the moment, I too must question the color timing on Khan, and the punched look of TMP. The colors seem unnaturally vibrint, and the whites cooler.
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On TMP (#1) you can see where the DNR scrubbed away detail, but the picture is still obviously superior to the DVD release (at least as far as detail is concerned). I'm not too sure what to make of the brightness change though.

The starfield in the background oddly enough is completely unaffected on the blu-ray screencap in comparison to the pre-DNR screencap. Wouldn't a DNR scrub eliminate that fine detail as well? Even the dimmest of the stars appear to be unaffected.
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The starfield in the background oddly enough is completely unaffected on the blu-ray screencap in comparison to the pre-DNR screencap. Wouldn't a DNR scrub eliminate that fine detail as well? Even the dimmest of the stars appear to be unaffected.

Perhaps the DNR was applied after the brightness was boosted? Plus DNR isn't exactly a softening/smearing tool, it is somewhat intelligent (or at least can be) and can avoid obvious edges (note how the Blu-ray still has sharp edges, but the film grain and some of the detail contained within is now missing).

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On Wrath of Kahn I wonder if all the "grain" on the Before-DNR screencap is actual grain of the orginal negative (Its a bit to much).

Did it come directly from the orginal negative or was it taken from an IP or something?

I also wonder about the blue tint?
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Does anyone know where are the before DNR screen captures from?
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Originally Posted by MovieSwede View Post

On Wrath of Kahn I wonder if all the "grain" on the Before-DNR screencap is actual grain of the orginal negative (Its a bit to much).

Did it come directly from the orginal negative or was it taken from an IP or something?

I also wonder about the blue tint?

I'd guess the un-DNR'd screen caps are from the supplementals on the discs. Whilst it's unlikely that these unrestored clips would be of optimal presentation, it's a bit distressing that (Khan aside) they look better in some ways than the actual movie presentations.

As to Khan, I saw it at the cinema twice and recall that all the space shots had a blue tint, the Enterprise and Reliant always looked blue-white. I have no recollection of how the interior shots looked though.
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