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The PQ is decent. Some ringing here and there. No obvious DNR or waxy look. I may have to agree with others here the contrast and color timing is a bit too "harsh" for my taste. I hope they use the transfer closer to the "look" of the DVD when it get released in the US. The cinematography of this western movie is gorgeous and the initial BD transfer does not do it justice.

Now I know some of you is thinking "Who cares? How is the lossless sound?"

The climactic shootout is the Audio demo scene. Perfect for "breakin' in" your subwoofer. My twin Velodynes handled it quite well
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Blu-ray File size: 17.00> GB

Bitrate: 17.56 mbps



Blu-ray File size: 30.10 GB

Bitrate: 24.97 mbps


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Title                                                           Codec   Length  Movie Size      Disc Size       Bitrate Bitrate Main Audio Track                          Secondary Audio Track
-----                                                           ------  ------- --------------  --------------  ------- ------- ------------------                        ---------------------
00001.MPLS                                                      VC-1    2:18:53 32,412,223,488  40,576,227,412  31.11   24.97   DTS-HD Master 5.1 2002Kbps (48kHz/16-bit) DTS 2.0 256Kbps (48kHz/16-bit)


DISC INFO:

Disc Title:     OPEN_RANGE
Disc Size:      40,576,227,412 bytes
Protection:     AACS
BD-Java:        No
BDInfo:         0.5.1

PLAYLIST REPORT:

Name:                   00001.MPLS
Size:                   32,412,223,488 bytes
Length:                 2:18:53 (h:m:s)
Total Bitrate:          31.11 Mbps
Description:            

VIDEO:

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-----                   -------             -----------     
VC-1 Video              24969 kbps          1080p / 23.976 fps / 16:9 / Advanced Profile 3

AUDIO:

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DTS-HD Master Audio             English         2002 kbps       5.1 / 48 kHz / 2002 kbps / 16-bit (DTS Core: 5.1 / 48 kHz / 1509 kbps / 16-bit)
DTS-HD Audio                    French          2046 kbps       5.1 / 48 kHz / 2046 kbps / 16-bit (DTS Core: 5.1 / 48 kHz / 1509 kbps / 16-bit)
DTS Audio                       English         256 kbps        2.0 / 48 kHz / 256 kbps / 16-bit

SUBTITLES:

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Presentation Graphics           French          21.661 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           French          36.190 kbps                     

FILES:

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CHAPTERS:

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4               0:26:34.384     0:07:22.442     24,117 kbps     44,048 kbps     00:31:32.140    34,295 kbps     00:28:04.891    32,985 kbps     00:27:59.886    125,854 bytes   378,803 bytes   00:31:19.878    
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7               0:53:03.805     0:08:49.529     28,033 kbps     44,609 kbps     00:54:09.120    35,076 kbps     00:53:27.579    33,334 kbps     00:54:57.669    146,153 bytes   388,430 bytes   00:56:04.402    
8               1:01:53.334     0:09:07.797     27,423 kbps     43,120 kbps     01:06:31.946    35,464 kbps     01:08:15.007    33,363 kbps     01:08:09.919    142,971 bytes   366,174 bytes   01:06:32.405    
9               1:11:01.131     0:10:01.726     27,758 kbps     44,597 kbps     01:11:17.564    33,840 kbps     01:11:15.521    32,465 kbps     01:18:37.504    144,716 bytes   347,845 bytes   01:18:46.471    
10              1:21:02.858     0:09:23.896     24,392 kbps     32,523 kbps     01:27:34.958    29,855 kbps     01:21:55.827    29,484 kbps     01:21:55.660    127,167 bytes   320,546 bytes   01:23:31.589    
11              1:30:26.754     0:09:15.263     22,969 kbps     38,344 kbps     01:35:24.844    33,114 kbps     01:37:05.569    31,796 kbps     01:35:34.520    119,751 bytes   376,844 bytes   01:35:42.153    
12              1:39:42.017     0:10:36.385     26,426 kbps     44,295 kbps     01:43:29.453    35,120 kbps     01:47:27.774    33,481 kbps     01:42:10.499    137,773 bytes   455,566 bytes   01:49:04.162    
13              1:50:18.403     0:09:14.345     25,089 kbps     39,600 kbps     01:56:22.183    34,043 kbps     01:56:38.074    33,770 kbps     01:56:14.342    130,802 bytes   387,901 bytes   01:56:03.373    
14              1:59:32.748     0:08:22.251     23,077 kbps     37,257 kbps     02:07:53.791    34,633 kbps     02:00:39.982    32,256 kbps     02:00:39.982    120,315 bytes   398,814 bytes   02:07:50.704    
15              2:07:55.000     0:06:20.046     25,112 kbps     41,373 kbps     02:08:58.772    33,735 kbps     02:08:13.268    32,446 kbps     02:08:09.181    131,095 bytes   438,402 bytes   02:08:25.864    
16              2:14:15.047     0:04:38.903     11,546 kbps     28,005 kbps     02:14:59.299    26,861 kbps     02:14:57.047    26,473 kbps     02:14:58.173    60,451 bytes    324,160 bytes   02:15:08.767    

STREAM DIAGNOSTICS:

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----            ---             ----            -----           --------                --------------          --------------          -------------   -----           
00002.M2TS      4113 (0x1011)   0xEA            VC-1                                    8333.826                24,970                  26,011,761,579  141,488,707     
00002.M2TS      4352 (0x1100)   0x85            DTS-HD HR       fra (French)            8333.826                2,046                   2,131,408,224   12,500,928      
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00002.M2TS      4609 (0x1201)   0x90            PGS             fra (French)            8333.826                36                      37,700,778      213,759
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I prefer the HDnet captures. The blu-ray's color looks too warm and artificial looking.

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The BD also has blown highlights and is mushier than the HDNet broadcast.
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Holy cow. That is, well, shocking.

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What the hell. If it is not one thing it has to be another?
Clouds play a big role in the cinematography and is meant to be seen which is evident in the DVD and the broadcast version; considering how prominently the skyline is featured in shots.

Look how an overcast day has now become a scorching dusk shot instead. This changes the tone of cinematography and it wasn't meant to be a Leone film, I do love his films though.
Now the grain structure really stands out more than it normally would. I actually remember the look of this film from the theater and it didn't appear like this.

HDNET, looks superior. Man, I love this movie.


(FRN)? Is that for French release?

Oh, please don't let it be this bad in the US.

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Ouch.. I agree the HDnet broadcast looks the best..

The Blu-Ray looks off...
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I thought the HDNET version looked better at first, too, but now I don't know; upon further analysis, it looks like grain has been improperly minimized and as for detail, look at the background trees and mountain terrain in post #2...there's much more texture, detail and color variation shown in the Blu-ray.
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I love this movie, the EE on the dvd is pretty bad and the BRD is odd.
Looks like I will have to keep waiting to watch it at home
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I thought the HDNET version looked better at first, too, but now I don't know; upon further analysis, it looks like grain has been improperly minimized and as for detail, look at the background trees and mountain terrain in post #2...there's much more texture, detail and color variation shown in the Blu-ray.

Yes, only color and brightness seem to be better on the broadcast version, compression and detail are much better on the BD, even though it's a far cry from a real, unmolested, unfiletered presentation from a good source.

Too bad, the movie is just fantastic!
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I thought the HDNET version looked better at first, too, but now I don't know; upon further analysis, it looks like grain has been improperly minimized and as for detail, look at the background trees and mountain terrain in post #2...there's much more texture, detail and color variation shown in the Blu-ray.

I agree, the HDNET version looks over worked and robbed of the rich color I remember from the DVD version.
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The HDnet version and the dvd are from the same transfer though.
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HDNet version is heavily DNR'd in the latest shot posted. But the BD seems to be in color torch mode. Who knows what color timing is right? Only a direct comparison to a print will reveal the truth.

We can certainly see that the color is way different in the BD compared to the HDNet and DVD versions. We can also see the HDNet version has been filtered to hell and back.

Oh well. I'll just rent this one.

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Oh, so this is where they misplaced Do The Right Thing's yellow filter.

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This is a great movie and I look forward to the NA release (with a great transfer).
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HDNet version is heavily DNR'd in the latest shot posted. But the BD seems to be in color torch mode. Who knows what color timing is right? Only a direct comparison to a print will reveal the truth.

If they intended to make it look realistic, I'd guess the greenish tint of the Blu-ray isn't right. Weathered wood looks gray. To make it worse they cranked up the saturation to the point where there are strange colors. I've never seen pink and green colors in the sky as in the shot of the two guys on the hill.

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The Blu-ray disc version color balance is off, it is yellow (someone removed too much blue in the process). As for detail, look at the green lamp shades in the bar scene. There is much more detail in the HDNet version.
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I got this BD and in actual viewing, it looks pretty darn good. I prefer it over the HDNet version, which I also have. The latter looks a tad washed out to me, but I agree the French BD is a tad warm. As for detail, the BD has more, easily noticeable, again in actual viewing. I'm using a 120" 2.35:1 Dalite HP screen w/a Panny AE3000U PJ.

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BD: contrast boosted
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As for detail, look at the green lamp shades in the bar scene. There is much more detail in the HDNet version.

Hmm...you're right...not to mention, the HDNET version makes it more clear that the sign behind the counter reads "No Varmits or Vagrants"...but I stand behind the town establishing shot having a more detailed background on the BD, so we appear to have two transfers that dance back and forth throughout on which offers the better overall experience (the compression artifacting alone in the HDNET shots is horrifying). Can we all agree that none of these transfers is up to the par we'll hopefully find one day when there's a U.S. BD release?
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sheesh, look at the forcefield around Costner, even in the BD....
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but I stand behind the town establishing shot having a more detailed background on the BD

Look at: the balcony railing on the Haidin & Regan store, the window on the side of the General Store, all show better detail on the HDNet version.
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I had this disc - for 3 days and sold it. Audio was f'ed up - voices all sounds like they took a small hit of helium. Directly compared it to the DVD audio - very much noticeable to me. The French Dances With Wolves was worse. Regardless of the DNR, the HDnet version looks much better to me - did not like the colors at all on the BD.

How long ago was this on HDnet? I've had it for a while and do not recall seeing it in the listings.
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Holy amber, Batman! Great movie, but I'll be sticking with the DVD.
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How's the audio on this BD? The gun shots on the DVD version was one of my reference scenes.
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