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Originally Posted by tutelary /forum/post/17659008
Yet Kirk's dad died and they all still ended up together on the Enterprise with Kirk as captain...
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Originally Posted by rdclark /forum/post/17659070
This is why we have fiction. All stories are real. Just not here.
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Originally Posted by Tspeer /forum/post/17658319
It just depends on the scale that you make the observation. Eventually our sun will turn into a red dwarf and expand past the earths orbit, destroying the planet. So if you wait long enough, the differences in the time line eventually make no difference. The universe marches on.
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Originally Posted by tutelary /forum/post/17659008
Yet Kirk's dad died and they all still ended up together on the Enterprise with Kirk as captain...
The problem with infinite realities being spun off from one another is that the whole concept is absurd. I turn right instead of left and a new reality exists? No. More like a chain of probabilities collapse into that absolute decision. I did x, not y. The natural world tends toward simplicity. Stacking endless realities on the actions of people isn't just crazy, it's egotistical to a staggering degree.
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Originally Posted by Franin /forum/post/17455196
The lens flare did not bother me at all
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Originally Posted by clutch69 /forum/post/17660439
FINALLY saw this on BD, saw it once in the theater, really liked this movie. I am pretty disappointed with the lens flare. I thought there was something wrong with my copy of the disc as a matter of fact. I take solace in that according to others, this was an intentional part of the movie. I guess I didn't notice it much in the theater. This is distracting to me, and if I had to rate this, I would drop it down to 3 even. Too bad, I will watch it again and I am sure get more used to it, but it's too bad I even have to after thinking this would be reference.
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Originally Posted by Josh Z /forum/post/17650527
Yes, but, eventually someone would (will) discover that vaccine.
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Originally Posted by Vader424242 /forum/post/17656930
On the contrary, as time progresses the differences introduced by an alternate sequence of events only become more significant on an exponential basis. That was clearly looked over here as cinematic license (which is fine), but the actual theories in quantum mechanics concerning particle-wave duality suggest that every possible decision is constantly made simultaneously, each one branching off a parallel universe, if you will (which is the equivalent of what Nero did). In fact, this was the basis for the series 'Sliders'.
Your suggestion that, in the long run someone would make the same discovery (possibly at a later time), and that would ultimately make a minimal difference (the end is the same, so all of the intervening events are irrelevant from a long POV), could not be more wrong. This viewpoint fails to take into account the events set into motion by every decision made that differs from what it should have been had the timeline not been disrupted (not to mention that many of the decisions originally made might not have to be made at all). For clarification, I use the term 'decision' to mean any time there are multiple possible outcomes. From the moment of said disruption, the course of events must by definition diverge. This is the hypothetical "infinite number of mokeys" scenario: Basically, if you have an infinite number of monkeys, pounding away at an infinite number of typewriters, for an infinite amount of time, then the mathematical probability that the novel "War and Peace" would eventually be produced, is not zero. While a nice thought in the realm of theory, this conclusion is not a practical possibility (any more than a tornado hitting a plane graveyard and producing a fully functional 747 - again, the theoretical odds are not zero... but we both know it ain't gonna happen). Where Nero's actions are concerned, the odds that causality and random chance would cause events to converge back to anything remotely resembling what we started with, while not zero in theory, is also not a practical possibility.
EDIT: Sorry... I think my inner nerd got the better of me again...
In this case, I believe this film (along with most other popcorn movies) falls under the category "don't criticize Bugs because rabbits don't talk... just enjoy the film"...
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Originally Posted by johnathanwinter /forum/post/17661022
There is no wrong answer because somewhere in existanz the answer is correct if you can take existanz as a whole and not confine your brain to the set of rules that governs our actual existence in the very small part of the whole.
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...observe the whole not just the one.
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I would go into it but... it would take like 10 pages to write my theory, and nobody would read it anyway.
well maybe i already did and someone actually did read it.
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Originally Posted by Vader424242 /forum/post/17661471
These are the kind of discussions that kept a local Pizza Hut in business as a friend and I debated all kinds of this stuff every Friday over lunch for many years (I truly miss that - good times). Be careful, you might just be labeled a bigger nerd than I...
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Again, point well taken. I am not a statistics guru (man, I hated those classes), but I was merely referring to one of the basic tenants of quantum mechanics (particle/wave duality, and the theory that on a quantum scale, every possible outcome happens simultaneously.) I am starting to see rdclark's point in that the real coincidence here is that we happen to be looking into that one out of an almost infinite number of possible parallel universes.
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You did, in a parallel universe... nice thesis, by the way
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Originally Posted by Vader424242 /forum/post/17656930
Your suggestion that, in the long run someone would make the same discovery (possibly at a later time), and that would ultimately make a minimal difference (the end is the same, so all of the intervening events are irrelevant from a long POV), could not be more wrong. This viewpoint fails to take into account the events set into motion by every decision made that differs from what it should have been had the timeline not been disrupted (not to mention that many of the decisions originally made might not have to be made at all).
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Originally Posted by Mr. Hanky /forum/post/17659400
That brings up another "bad-science" element to the movie...if the star went supernova on Romulus, wouldn't it have been long preceded by a stretch of pre-nova-oriented cosmic disaster upon the planet that effectively makes the planet inhospitable, anyway? Would not the star expand to red giant proportions over millions of years before entering a collapsing instability phase that results in a supernova, hence blowing off the atmosphere of Romulus and roasting anything organic on it? It's not like they wouldn't have any warning over millions (billions?) of years to leave the planet before an actual supernova event, right? It makes it even more pointless to develop red-blob-blackhole technology to conceptually cancel out a supernova. If you are responding to that event in particular, it is already far, far too late to save any life off that planet, eh?
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Originally Posted by Josh Z /forum/post/17663743
Further, let's say that the supernova happened exactly as described, with only a few months notice. And let's say that Spock was successful in absorbing the supernova in a black hole.
How long do you think life would last on Romulus without its sun?
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Originally Posted by Josh Z /forum/post/17663727
Would that peasant's death really affect where you, Vader424242, are right now, at this moment, nine centuries later? Probably not.
Even if he were your great-great-great-great-great, etc. grandfather, he's such an infintessimally tiny portion of your genetic history that almost certainly someone else would have stepped in to fill the gap during one of the intervening generations. When it comes to you, you might have a freckle in a different spot, but your life would otherwise be the same.
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Originally Posted by Blood Pie /forum/post/17660459
Actually, it sounds like you got a defective disc that has "light" that also "flares". Apparently it was a glitch in the encode as light should never be toyed with while making movies.