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post #271 of 300 Old 09-05-2010, 07:59 PM
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My local Best Buy also has the VC-1 version - It too locks up when the pop up menu is engaged.
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i got a copy at my bb today it is the avc version
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I got the vc1 version at best buy as well. There is a short pause when activating the menu, but it doesn't lock up. I use a ps3. Slightly annoying but i can live with it.

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Besides the glitch, which sounds like it's fine on some players, is there a quality difference between the AVC and VC-1 pressings?

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If I remember correctly, the AVC has a slightly better PQ than the VC-1. Here are some screen shots.

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So not only do I quite possibly have a glitchy disc, I also have the one with the inferior transfer? Sigh...

Listen, unless you are one of those super-anal types with a 120" screen, you will have a hard time telling the difference between the two encodes. The real problem is the pop-up menu glitch when viewing the extended version. If you just want to play it through, it's fine. If you futz with the pop-up you will have issues.

Oh, and apparently, the PS3 is a little more forgiving than set-top units.
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I took my unopened copy back to best buy, it still had a best buy sticker on it. I didn't have a receipt but they gave me a store credit/gift card for $27 something. The original sticker said something like $24.95 so anyway I then bought Stargate again in the store only it was one sale under the new UPC code for $14.99 and luckly it was the right encode. Played flawlessly. And now I have a little over $12 to use on something else.
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I got the vc1 version at best buy as well. There is a short pause when activating the menu, but it doesn't lock up. I use a ps3. Slightly annoying but i can live with it.

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Oh, and apparently, the PS3 is a little more forgiving than set-top units.

Ya, I had the same experience on my PS3, it paused for a bit before the menu came up, but it kept working.

I think the PS3 is one of the best purchases I've ever made, considering it's been upgraded from a Profile 1.0 all the way to BD Live and 3D and still outperforms the newest players, you can't ask for any more than that.
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Ya, I had the same experience on my PS3, it paused for a bit before the menu came up, but it kept working.

I think the PS3 is one of the best purchases I've ever made, considering it's been upgraded from a Profile 1.0 all the way to BD Live and 3D and still outperforms the newest players, you can't ask for any more than that.

I have VC-1 version too (got it when it first came out) and it hesitates for about 2 seconds but that's it, haven't tried it in my Panny BD65 yet. but from what I hear it's just the pop up menu, can get around the bug by going to the main menu button or just by playing through and not using the pop up menu lol, I'll replace it if I find it in a pawn shop or something
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I just got this through Amazon, thanks to their current sale price. Unfortunately, it's VC-1.

It would be nice if Lionsgate stopped sending this defective version out into the retail world.
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Amazon is really good at replacing defective discs, and they'll pay for shipping both ways.

No guarantee that your replacement won't also be the VC1 version, but it's worth a try.
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I just got this through Amazon, thanks to their current sale price. Unfortunately, it's VC-1.

It would be nice if Lionsgate stopped sending this defective version out into the retail world.
My impression is that the corrected second pressing was indeed in AVC, but that for some unknown reason Lionsgate went back and used the faulty VC-1 for subsequent manufacturing runs.
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Because Lions Gate won't answer my e-mails I just play the promos through to the main menu and it starts up...sometimes...

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I got a VC-1 encode from Amazon this week. Tried it last night in my Pioneer BDP-320 with firmware 3.69a and it worked fine as far as I could tell.
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amazon copy from recent black friday sale is avc copy no slip cover has the above mention sticker over original bar code no problems on $59 Toshiba 1100x blu player.
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Got the UK disc today in a 2 for £20 deal at HMV it is AVC
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Oh dear. Hate to tell you but others might be interested, but Amazon uk now have it for £5. Quite a bargin. Zavvi have had it at that price for a while
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Rats! I only picked up as I could not find another film in the offer I didn't already own!
I already had the first US mpeg 2 release
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I know. It's happened to me too. You think you get a bargain and then a few months later it's half the price. Gomorrah is only£5 on zavvi incl post for you UK people. Its prob 4 times that price for the Criterion!! Great film.
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I'm on deployment and found the extended version at the Okinawa exchange for $7.99 so I got it. Then I found out a guy on my ship has the 15th anniversary verison. Crikey! How many are there? Mine says running time is 128 mins and his says 130 mins. Which is better?

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I'm on deployment and found the extended version at the Okinawa exchange for $7.99 so I got it. Then I found out a guy on my ship has the 15th anniversary verison. Crikey! How many are there? Mine says running time is 128 mins and his says 130 mins. Which is better?

The 15th anniversary addition is the way to go since it wasn't molested like the extended version was.
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Ah, thanks! Guess I need to circular file this one then.

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Old news to most here... but I watched a good chunk of the 15th Anniversary edition last night, and it does indeed look quite different than the older Extended Cut BD. The screenshots in this earlier post (one of which is shown below) give a pretty good illustration of the difference.

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The older Extended Cut didn't really look awful to me. But the gamma was obviously too low/bright on that version, which is one reason the grain was so visible, and the color looked somewhat "patchy" and poorly-dithered in some of the darker scenes. Some may think those qualities give the EC a more filmic look though.

The gamma/midtones on this newer release are considerably darker, which some may like and some may not. I try to keep my HD displays close to the Rec. 1886 2.4 spec, and my preliminary impression is that this edition seems to be among the darker BDs I've seen so far, and maybe gettin a little muddy/murky-lookin. That's based mostly on memory though rather than rigorous comparison.

Brightening/lowering gamma is not a problem on my TV, so this newer release will almost certainly be my preference. And if you're using a display with lower gamma to begin with (e.g. 2.2), then it may look just peachy without any tweaking.

The sound is probably hands-down better on this newer version as well. Might wanna be somewhat cautious on the levels though per comments like this...

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Watch your audio levels!!!!

The DTS intro is hazardous to your speakers, particularly the subwoofers.

And the entire track's level is way way hot!

Oh yeah, great transfer!!

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Noticed some remarks about potential EE and DNR here, and may offer a few thoughts on that as well after a closer look on a 1080p display at 1:1.

More example images in the screenshot thread.

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The 7.1 audio is more directional and wonderful than the EC's is as well. So between video and audio this is must buy even if you have the EC. I now have both.

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I see some remarks about potential EE and DNR here as well, and may offer a few thoughts on that as well after a closer look on a 1080p display at 1:1.

I have the BD and it does indeed have EE which stands out in the usual shots like against sky scenes. I have both versions and the detail and film grain seem pretty much the same just different brightness/contrast.
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Repost of US VC1 (15th Anniversary new transfer) vs German AVC (old transfer), since that comparison site lost the original uploads:
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Can you see the brightness of the old one is FAIL!

DNR and framing aside, I have always been irritated by the overly bright presentation of Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country on home video. It completely changes the tone of the film, literally.

I hope when they retransfer it they do like they did for Stargate and have the original constrast & gamma levels.

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DNR and framing aside, I have always been irritated by the overly bright presentation of Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country on home video. It completely changes the tone of the film, literally.

I hope when they retransfer it they do like they did for Stargate and have the original constrast & gamma levels.

I suspect brightening a film is considered a home video standard by some of those involved in making dvd/bds even for horror flicks.
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FYI, this disc just fell to $5.99 on Amazon. I'm not a huge fan of this film, but at that price I nabbed it anyway -- and the screen comparisons here seem to show a much improved BD.
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Someone motioned on Laserdisc database that laserdiscs had brighter image and I don't really give a hoot, hoot. DVD comes along with blacker blacks and whiter whites. Some films looked great okay so what if its only a hundred or so lines different so what, the colour on most was natural as if it was cared and treated well in the transfer.

COMA on region 1 DVD looks great and other MGM region 1 titles I brought thou every once in while one tends to slip on standards.

Are these technical so call pros watching the film on say a high, high grade video projector in darkened room under the conditions it will be watched at and so what, so what if I or anyone else watches it on CRT LCD LED flat screen with lights turned ON. There is thing called Brightness and Contrast we compensate and turn it up a little just like the volume on the AVR!

Sorry for the steaming rant I'm sure its on thousands/millions of other peoples minds that like to vent the steam off.

I fail to see the point you getting at.
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FYI, this disc just fell to $5.99 on Amazon. I'm not a huge fan of this film, but at that price I nabbed it anyway -- and the screen comparisons here seem to show a much improved BD.

^ Groovy. Maybe that was in response to the WM drop?

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I have the BD and it does indeed have EE which stands out in the usual shots like against sky scenes. I have both versions and the detail and film grain seem pretty much the same just different brightness/contrast.

Interesting. Haven't had a chance to look at the detail closeup yet, cuz my CRT isn't the best for that.

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Can you see the brightness of the old one is FAIL!

Yep, I can. (And thx for emphasizing my point on that, in case anyone missed it. )

I watched a bit more of the 15th Ann. Ed. on my CRT, and stand by my earlier comments. Overall, I'd say the contrast/brightness is better on this newer edition. Most of the FX shots look better. But it's startin to get a tad muddy/murky-lookin to me in some scenes as well. So it's possible they may have over-compensated a bit on the gamma. "Dark" is de rigueur though at the moment. So this view is obviously open for debate.

In one of your other posts, you mentioned the surround/ambient light levels which I agree is also an important factor (probably more so than display gamma) in making these kinds of contrast/gamma/brightness assessments. And AFAIK, there is no widely agreed upon standard for that in HDTV production, other than the old SMPTE guidelines of less than 10% relative luminance.

For the record, I try to keep the white level on my TV adjusted so that an ~15% stimulus flat field gray on the screen is a pretty close match to ambient/surround light levels around the TV. The 15% gray is designed to simulate the APL (average picture level) of video over time. This means that peak white on the display is approximately 100x the relative luminance of the surround. (A 15% stimulus gray has about 1% relative luminance on a 2.4 gamma screen.) IMO, this is a reasonable target for typical very dim/nighttime surround viewing conditions in both home and mastering environments. And it's well below the 10% maximum luminance surround recommended by the old SMPTE spec. So this is what my assessments are based on.

Most of the time, this arrangement works pretty well for professionally mastered home video content, but often some tweaking is needed either to gamma or white level for comfortable viewing. So I leave enough room for adjustment in the white level on the TV to accomodate a range of ambient references between about 12.5% and 20% stimulus gray on the screen (which equals roughly 0.67% to 2.0% rel. lum. on an ~2.4 display).

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