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post #91 of 142 Old 08-19-2009, 01:11 AM - Thread Starter
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Interesting to see that some of the blocks on the Warner encode actually seem to smooth the grain less than Paramount's.

Good to know the strengths and weaknesses of each, thanks.
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I've been meaning to get into more of these samples, but my workflow has been pretty backed-up lately.

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I went ahead and purchased the uk release. After watching this blue-ray many times. I must say the pq is excellent. I say middle teir 1. But the paramount version shows I was correct in my feeling that their was some filtering going on. A few scenes came across soft, with some odd grain pattern, I dont know if it was dnr, but some filtering took place, i really noticed it when nightowl went to visit ozymandius (sp?) at the begining. Ozy's face looked soft and bit smoothed over.

The paramount version looks exactly like what I thought this movie could look like, which is perfect. I will review it more in a week, but it looks perfect, while the warner looks a bit smoothed over at times.
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I got an advanced copy of the US release and, at the time, I posted this on the other Watchmen thread:

`I sometimes got the feeling some DNR had been applied but, even if that's the case, it did not seem obtrusive; the picture just looked a tad soft and with not much grain, but that may be an artistic choice'.

The comparison between the Warner and the Paramount encode confirms my first impression and definitely rules out the `artistic choice' option. I will probably buy the European encode of the TC when I find a used copy. I wonder how the next US and European releases will be. Many fun comparisons are in store for us!


Pretty much summed up exactly how I felt.
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That's been my feeling all along too.

Actually, I just finished watching the Paramount international version again. Just plain beautiful!
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To my eyes the Warner U.S. release looked very good. Not the absolute best of the best, but extremely pleasing to the eye and at no time was I yanked from the movie because of DNR or loud EE. I just enjoyed the film, from start to finish. So that means I won't be double dipping. No reason to.

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In those last set of pics that image on the bottom is IMO a marked improvement over the one above it.

Yeah, if you like over sharpened compression noise.
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Yeah, if you like over sharpened compression noise.

Sorry Obi, but I disagree.

EDIT: I just noticed it's the 'Special Hanky Edition' or something another so maybe it's not a direct grab, but an altered one. I still prefer the bottom image though. To each his own.

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I have both versions, UK Paramount TC and US Warner DC

Watching on a 96" screen, it is quite apparent that the Paramount version is the better quality of the two. Colours had more fidelity, black level looked better, less image noise and generally sharper.

Hopefully Paramount will do a Direcotr's cut at some point

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just bought the uk directors cut it is just the film and commentries on disk one with a Dolby True HD track looks awesome to me but i have nothing to compare to be interested to see some comparisents.
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We need comparison shots of these two versions, and the new Ultimate Cut. Another forum had comparison shots of the two US releases and the Ultimate Cut looked more detailed.

I have the UC and (altrhough I did not do a side-by-side) the UC looks sharper and more detailed to my eyes. Plus, the UC is just a better film!
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I have a few questions. Is the uk directors cut still done by paramount? I found the u.k version better picture, and would like to get the same quality, is the u.k directors cut as good as the uk theatrical cut?

Also does anyone here have the ultimate cut, can it compare to the u.k versions at all?

I really hope someone can answer this.
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I have the following versions:

UK DC - Paramount (AVC @ 27Mbps, Dolby TrueHD 24-bit, No Maximum Movie Mode)
UK TC - Paramount (AVC @ 27Mbps, Dolby TrueHD 24-bit, No Maximum Movie Mode)
US DC - Warner (VC-1 @ 18 Mbps, DTS-HD MA 24-bit)

The Paramount BD resolves high frequency details and grain better than the Warner BD.

Audio wise I couldn't make out any differences except for slight differences in the recording level.

Blu-ray : 340
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I have the following versions:

UK DC - Paramount (AVC @ 27Mbps, Dolby TrueHD 24-bit, No Maximum Movie Mode)
UK TC - Paramount (AVC @ 27Mbps, Dolby TrueHD 24-bit, No Maximum Movie Mode)
US DC - Warner (VC-1 @ 18 Mbps, DTS-HD MA 24-bit)

The Paramount BD resolves high frequency details and grain better than the Warner BD.

Makes me wonder if the UK master was used for the Ultimate Cut.
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Think both Warner and Paramount used the same master but did different encodes.

Blu-ray : 340
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Is there a Paramount UC somewhere in Europe?
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Think both Warner and Paramount used the same master but did different encodes.


Then perhaps Warners used a different encode for the UC? The PQ is an improvement over the DC.
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Just bringing this back to life...

Does the UK Paramount DC have the same PQ as the UK Paramount TC? I noticed in the PQ thread that the UK DC is in tier 0, just like the TC. The US version is in tier 1.25.

Also is the UK DC region free?

Thanks!
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Yes, it's region free. I don't see why the quality would be much different from the TC, average bitrates are very similar.
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Sorry for the massive bump! But is there anyway to get back the pics in the OP? They're gone.

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May as well get around to updating with another disc. To answer the question above: the Paramount DC is actually better than their TC, because the horizontal detail now meets and exceeds Warner's DC. It even does so without causing aliasing on the computer monitor shot.

The 2-disc DC costs $18 and change to import from Amazon.co.uk, twice what Warner's 1-disc is now going for. Neither includes the theatrical cut at all.

[EDIT: Added Vudu screencaps. 11.93GB / 3:06:24 = 8.53Mbps total]

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May as well get around to updating with another disc. To answer the question above: the Paramount DC is actually better than their TC, because the horizontal detail now meets and exceeds Warner's DC. It even does so without causing aliasing on the computer monitor shot.

The PQ Tiers never lie. I did a careful comparison of the various Watchmens some time ago, because I own them all and wanted very precise placements for the various editions in the Tier thread. Basically if you want the absolute best picture quality for Watchmen, go with the UK Paramount director's cut. But you really can't go wrong except for the domestic Warner director's cut BD (WB never issued the theatrical cut on BD). Strangely the much longer ultimate cut by Warner looks better than their director's cut.
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Strangely the much longer ultimate cut by Warner looks better than their director's cut.

Indeed it does! If you can ever find it, the UC is superior in every capacity and is the one to get. Probably the best $30 I've ever spent on a BD.

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Indeed it does! If you can ever find it, the UC is superior in every capacity and is the one to get. Probably the best $30 I've ever spent on a BD.

I only have the DC and just looked at amazon... The UC is $200!!! I assume it's discontinued; I hope they reissue it at some point.
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Thanks for posting the pics, msgohan.


So the paramount DC is the way to go? I have warners DC already and i was pleased with the PQ. In those pics the paramount versions have better grain and overall detail. But would i notice this while watching the movie?

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The UK theatrical Blu-Ray is on sale on Amazon, for those interested.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B0041KW1CK/
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I've added shots of the Vudu streaming/download version to post #112. If you already have the necessary hardware and own Warner's original Director's Cut release, taking the BD into Walmart and giving them 2 bucks for access to the 1080p stream could be a decent deal.
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I've added shots of the Vudu streaming/download version to post #112. If you already have the necessary hardware and own Warner's original Director's Cut release, taking the BD into Walmart and giving them 2 bucks for access to the 1080p stream could be a decent deal.

So you're saying that the VUDU stream is better than the Warner Blu-ray? I'm not seeing much difference in your screencaps (though I don't have time now to look at all of them).

Of course, with VUDU, you'd also sacrifice lossless audio for, what, an alleged 1% difference in picture quality? Seems pretty fruitless to me. YMMV.

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I only have the DC and just looked at amazon... The UC is $200!!! I assume it's discontinued; I hope they reissue it at some point.

Probably unlikely. Considering the box-office, I'm surprised there were so many releases as it is! Also the best packaging on any BD set I have. You can get it cheaper on Ebay, but expect to pay at least $100.00 (Just think of it as a Criterion Deluxe Laserdisc!)

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