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I'm of the opinion that such a thread, unless set down with firm boundaries and the support of the mods, will cause more problems than it will solve. And regardless if such a thread is created, I'd go so far as to say that the "tier" threads should be closed and archived, and that any "film analysis" or "grain reproduction" threads should be reserved for the worst titles, if for no other reason that those are the only titles anyone can come to anything approaching consensus on.
The tier threads have been and always will be problematic, though not from the wilder claims being thrown around in this thread. It's not "demographics"--the same people who put Hannah Montana at #1 Blu-ray this week are not the same as those who did the same for I Love You Man last week outside of one's imagination--nor is it "grain-haters", who make up a small part of the AVS community whose presence is almost always exaggerated. If we were to believe that, every DNRed film would have hundreds of defenders, yet I could count on my hand the number of actual "grain is bad" posters in any given thread. No, it's because the tier threads, despite whatever original intent they had, are used for positing opinions that change for every person as some sort of technical reference. Because of that, I've never liked them, and never participated in them. Hell, almost no one here at AVS likes them, and they're ridiculed by most other HD boards anyway, so if they're worthless and used by posters on both sides as some sort of tool to bash others with, then dump them.
Now does there need to be a thread to notify us of egregious uses of DNR, EE, and other problems? Yes, and that thread is welcome. What is not welcome is the mentality from the extremists. I can get behind looking at Gladiator or Patton or Dark City and saying "this is very wrong and should stop ASAP", but I can't support a discussion where (as FoxyMulder pointed out) even small amounts of DNR/EE "disqualifies" a decent-to-good film or makes it somehow a piece of trash. Nor can I support discussions where bashing of people who can't see the extent of the damage because, like most viewers they don't have professionally calibrated 120" screens, is tolerated. We've had several members resort to vicious personal attacks merely because others can't see what they see, which to me is highly disturbing. And the language gets so extreme for even decent releases ("abominations", "trash", "disgusting") and slightly tolerant viewers ("ignorant", "film/grain-hater", "gamer teen") that no actual discussion can take place. If we were to take the suggestions of some here, then the majority of posters, those represented by people like rdclark and bplewis24, would be unwelcome. If I was an new AVS member or even a long-time member with an average setup and tolerant outlook, I certainly wouldn't want a thread where saying the The Dark Knight looked good on my display made me some kind of gamer-trash Philistine responsible for destroying film, or seeing a bit of DNR on Silence of the Lambs and not minding it meant that I was some kind of Mr Magoo-esque lowest common denominator.
In the end, if I could trust all of us (myself included) to discuss minute issues and understand that even a little deviance from flawless is acceptable, and have opinions on both sides respected without any reference to what demographic they belong to, the acuity of their vision, or their level of education, then such a thread would work. Unfortunately, I can't say that's possible right now.
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