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post #61 of 116 Old 09-09-2010, 11:54 AM
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So you properly level matched the 2 tracks? That doesn't mean the volume on the AVR is the same either.
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i cant remember what the settings have been, but fact is for me that the nordic track sounded kind of flat in comparison.
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Well, that's kind of meaningless unfortunetly. When you compare 2 soundtracks which are different codecs, you need to do proper level matching. Its not surprising that a PCM track would be "hotter" than a Dolby or DTS track if you just pop the disc in and make sure the receiver volume is set to the same for both. That is not proper level matching.

So far, there is no info in this thread to make any believe any of these Blu-ray releases have any difference in Sound Quality (besides 1 being mixed with 2 addition channels) besides a DVD having sub 8hz filtering, which none of us would have even known without seeing those graphs...
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nah, I've watched them as remux on my PC (and receiver) and I've converted both tracks to .flac with eac3to which means dialnorm and DRC both got removed. and I've limited the 7.1 output to 5.1, because I don't have 7.1. theoretically, the 7.1 track could sound as good or maybe better on a 7.1 system, dunno. but on a 5.1 system, it did not.

(to anticipate the question: I guess the remaining 2 channels didn't get dropped, I used the madflac filter and to me it sounds unlikely that madshi would allow lossless sound not being put out as lossless by dropping audio information. So I guess the sound of those 2 additional channel has been put out via those 5.1 channels, but you'd have to ask madshi in order to clear this up).
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alright, has been cleared up, those 2 images from the comparison I posted were mixed up, youngryus ones are right.

so the german BD has better PQ than the nordic one. remains the question regarding the audio, how good or bad it is
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alright, has been cleared up, those 2 images from the comparison I posted were mixed up, youngryus ones are right.

so the german BD has better PQ than the nordic one.



Perhaps, or it could be the brighter image on the German version is highlighting detail that is masked in the darker Nordic version.
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I think i will probably go with the german.
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Sorry if I missed it, but i glanced through the thread and didn't see. Is this region free?? The video does look better than the Nordic version.
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This version of Black Hawk Down looks like the one to get! Does the disc give you a choice of what languages the menus are available in?
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So is the German disc superior to the US release in terms of PQ/AQ?
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So is the German disc superior to the US release in terms of PQ/AQ?

I posted one shot on the previous page you can compare. The German disc has only a very slight edge in compression, the source looks the same. But if you can't pick out the MPEG2 blocks on the US disc, you're not going to be seeing any difference.
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I posted one shot on the previous page you can compare. The German disc has only a very slight edge in compression, the source looks the same. But if you can't pick out the MPEG2 blocks on the US disc, you're not going to be seeing any difference.

How about audio quality? Any difference in the mix or LFE?
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FYI: I was able to get my hands on the Nordic version from here http://www.gucca.dk/ I had to use a Danish to English translator, ordered it on the 9th got it on the 17th.

I can verify it is Region B, I had to rip it, make it region free, and reburn it to watch it on my HT. Which is ok I just swap out the single disc case for a two disc case to hold both.

As for the sound, I can tel you the DTS HD MA 7.1 blows away the DD 5.1 included and I got plenty of rumbling bass. However it has been a long time since I watched this on DVD so I can't tell you what if any booming bass is not there. I do believe they could have done more with it but I like thundering bass.

Here is a cover shot;



Here is a screenshot I took for comparison with the others;

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hmmm socio screenshot does not have that weird color brightness issue that youngru posted of the nordic screenshots.

This is getting more confusing now.
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Also do we know if the german is region free?
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hmmm socio screenshot does not have that weird color brightness issue that youngru posted of the nordic screenshots.

This is getting more confusing now.

The movie looked real good, when I have time I will try to find the scenes and screenshot a couple more pic's to compare to youngru's.
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I tried to find the scenes that youngru took screen shots from for more comparisons of but could only spot one and using the software I have to capture I could only get close to the frame.

Here it is;



Took another one but does not match any previously taken but shows some good detail;

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Is there english subtitles on the nodic when they speak another language? if i recall in the movie their is some foreign dialog parts, do those come in as english like on the u.s. disc?
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Is there english subtitles on the nodic when they speak another language? if i recall in the movie their is some foreign dialog parts, do those come in as english like on the u.s. disc?

Yes
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Sorry if I missed it, but i glanced through the thread and didn't see. Is this region free?? The video does look better than the Nordic version.

German version is, unfortunately, NOT region-free. It is region B locked.

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Good thing I purchased the oppo blue ray player with region free mod then.
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I can verify it is Region B, I had to rip it, make it region free, and reburn it to watch it on my HT. Which is ok I just swap out the single disc case for a two disc case to hold both.

wait, what? I have the Nordic release, and it is region free... I don t even think there PAL on it, atleast the studios intro is NTSC and it loads right to the menu. What player are you using?
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wait, what? I have the Nordic release, and it is region free... I don t even think there PAL on it, atleast the studios intro is NTSC and it loads right to the menu. What player are you using?

Mine is region B, look at the cover pic I posted on post #74 at the lower left corner it has the region B icon does yours?
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Mine is region B, look at the cover pic I posted on post #74 at the lower left corner it has the region B icon does yours?

Yes, but my players tell me it's region free.

Never go by the case.
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Im still not sure which i should go with.

The nordic one looks really good and proper in the latest caps. pictures on page 2 look odd.

Then at least 2 people complained about the audio on the nordic. But then like backlac says im always skeptical of placebo when it comes to audio.

I sold my u.s. release since i am going to purchase a non mpeg version.
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As you can see, they all look completely different. It totally depends on how the screenshots are taken. I took mine right from PowerDVD7.

Unless 1 person can get all 3 discs or we make sure everyone is using the same method, this wont be accurate. For one, .jpg is compressed. Try to use .png

Youngryu, how did you take your screenshots?
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actually, i just tried to get mine closer to teh same frame as the other ones. That picture varies so much from bluish to greenish because of the sand, depending on the time of the screenshot. You can't judge that scene by color unless you can match the exact frames.
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Yes, but my players tell me it's region free.

Never go by the case.

Oh Crap!

Both the cover and the disc have the region B on it, but you are right I just tried the original disc and it played fine, shows as region 1.

That means I ripped it and removed the region code, burned it to a blank 50GB BR and re-cased it in a two disc case for nothing!
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As you can see, they all look completely different. It totally depends on how the screenshots are taken. I took mine right from PowerDVD7.

Unless 1 person can get all 3 discs or we make sure everyone is using the same method, this wont be accurate. For one, .jpg is compressed. Try to use .png

Youngryu, how did you take your screenshots?

MPC-HC has a nice screenshot option.

i also have the us mpeg copy but need to rip it first. ill put it on my to do list.
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Did we make a decision if there is a version worth getting if you already have Sony disc?
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