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So now we'll be getting yet a 3rd version of BHD. This time it's from Universal in Germany.

http://www.amazon.de/Black-Hawk-Down...2107903&sr=1-3

This one will be VC1 and DTS-MA. For anyone who wants to do a comparison of the 3 video codecs and audio formats will have a field day with this.

Personally, I'm hoping ALL of the extras from the 3 DVD set will be included.

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Thanks DigiFreak. I hope it features English subtitles.

Blu-ray : 340
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Thanks DigiFreak. I hope it features English subtitles.

Nearly all german BDs feature english audio and most of them also english subs. So, there's a very good chance.
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Sweet, I just got the CEE The Last Samurai with TrueHD and maybe this one will be a nice upgrade as well.

My dad just got his first HDTV and BD player, so my old disks will find a nice home.
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Nearly all german BDs feature english audio and most of them also english subs. So, there's a very good chance.

Correction required in your statement: Nearly all german BDs released by Hollywood based Studios feature english audio and most of them also english subs. So, there's a very good chance.

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This one will be VC1 and DTS-MA. For anyone who wants to do a comparison of the 3 video codecs and audio formats will have a field day with this. .

Its certainly an interesting movie for codecs. But just to be clear a codec is basicly just some specification on how you decode an encode.

It all comes down to how the encoding program uses the codec.

Good movies are as rare as an on topic discussion.
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Well in Sweden we have great Disc of BHD with DTS HD MA 7.1 and an MPEG4/AVC encode.

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Well in Sweden we have great Disc of BHD with DTS HD MA 7.1 and an MPEG4/AVC encode.

Yes indeed, but it could be fun to see how the VC1 version will differ. I have the impression but I havnt confirmed it, that all three codecs handles grainstructures a bit differently.

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to me the 7.1 DTS-HD MA track from the nordic disc didnt sound that impressive (some say its only an 7.1 upconvert). the US 5.1 LPCM is better.
concerning the video though, the nordic AVC encode had less blocking / better grain.

so lets see if the german disc should be better anyhow.
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to me the 7.1 DTS-HD MA track from the nordic disc didnt sound that impressive (some say its only an 7.1 upconvert). the US 5.1 LPCM is better.
concerning the video though, the nordic AVC encode had less blocking / better grain.

so lets see if the german disc should be better anyhow.

Why would the LPCM be better the the DTS HD MA regardless to how the 7.1 is or not

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Why would the LPCM be better the the DTS HD MA regardless to how the 7.1 is or not

Because how they mix it is more important than what codec they do or don't use.
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to me the 7.1 DTS-HD MA track from the nordic disc didnt sound that impressive (some say its only an 7.1 upconvert).

Aren't nearly all 7.1-channel soundtracks "upconverts"? The last time I heard, very few if any movies are made with 7.1 sound in their theatrical releases.

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Has anyone seen this version? how does it compare to the nordic version?
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Mine is pre-order. No idea as of yet.

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So all the extras are back then!
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So all the extras are back then!

Why "back"?

They're on the UK and US BD as well. At least the main Making Of and the commentaries.
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I thought The Essence of Combat: Making Black Hawk Down was truncated on the Blu
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Are the German subtitles burnt in- anyone..?
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I thought The Essence of Combat: Making Black Hawk Down was truncated on the Blu


Oooohhh, I did not know that. In fact, I just watched some features from my 3-disk dvd this weekend. My BD doesn't have anything much past the awesome commentaries and the Essence of Combat feature which is one of my favorite making-of docs ever. All movies need to have making-of docs like this.

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I thought The Essence of Combat: Making Black Hawk Down was truncated on the Blu

It's not on this version:http://www.dvdcompare.net/comparisons/film.php?fid=2136.

Times link up.

It "seems" like all the extras from the first and second DVD's are on there. None from the 3rd.

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Hmmm. I've got the R3 Superbit Deluxe DVD set, and I swapped out the first disc with the UK BD, so I've got all the extra features and whatnot. But the prospect of having all that goodness in one itty-bitty 5" disc is definitely appealling...
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So now we'll be getting yet a 3rd version of BHD. This time it's from Universal in Germany.

http://www.amazon.de/Black-Hawk-Down...2107903&sr=1-3

This one will be VC1 and DTS-MA. For anyone who wants to do a comparison of the 3 video codecs and audio formats will have a field day with this.

Personally, I'm hoping ALL of the extras from the 3 DVD set will be included.

its avc and not vc-1.
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its avc and not vc-1.

You know you're quoting a post that was over a year ago, right?

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tech info...

Bild-/Video-Format: 2.35 : 1

Video-Codec: MPEG-4 AVC / 1080p 23,976 fps / 16:9 / High Profile 4.1
Video-Bitrate ca. 27 Mbps

Audio:
Englisch
Deutsch
Audiokommentar 1
Audiokommentar 2
Audiokommentar 3
DTS HD Master Audio 5.1 (48 kHz/16 Bit) 2146 kbps
DTS HD Master Audio 5.1 (48 kHz/16 Bit) 2053 kbps
DTS 2.0 (48 kHz/16 Bit) 320 kbps
DTS 2.0 (48 kHz/16 Bit) 320 kbps
DTS 2.0 (48 kHz/16 Bit) 320 kbps
Untertitel/Subtitles: Deutsch (auch für Audiokommentare)

Ø Total Bitrate: ca. 34,6 Mbps

Kapazitätsausnutzung:
utilization of capacity: 45,11 GB (BD-50 = max. 46,57 GB) = 96,87 %
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Well in Sweden we have great Disc of BHD with DTS HD MA 7.1 and an MPEG4/AVC encode.

Is there a DTS HD MA 7.1 English track on that version?
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Is there a DTS HD MA 7.1 English track on that version?

Yes, they dont dub movies here in scandinavian, except some pixar/animations, but in those, there is always original english track.

What i wonder is, do that scandinavian blu-ray have that 6-8hz ****in irene bass. Dvd didn't have that or it was very veak signal.
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Are the German subtitles burnt in- anyone..?

Nope. No burnt in german subtitles.
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Yes, they dont dub movies here in scandinavian, except some pixar/animations, but in those, there is always original english track.

What i wonder is, do that scandinavian blu-ray have that 6-8hz ****in irene bass. Dvd didn't have that or it was very veak signal.

Pretty sure all that 6-8hz stuff is in the dvd. It's been well documented before Blu-ray was on the market.

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