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he also did the t2:skynet edition.
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THX did T2.
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THX did T2.

Yes, but sometimes for the studios a remaster is just reusing the old master with some filtering.

I hoping they do a rescan for this new master.

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Thank you for this great comparison msgohan. Too bad we can't say the same about the disc itself.

The Image/Hemdale DVD was my very first DVD title, way back in 1997 and the Sony BD was also among my first BD purchases.

Does anybody know how will be handling the next US realease, Sony or MGM?

Basded on the way Sony has been treating most of their catalog releases now, I really wish they would have a chance at it again.
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Thank you for this great comparison msgohan. Too bad we can't say the same about the disc itself.

The Image/Hemdale DVD was my very first DVD title, way back in 1997 and the Sony BD was also among my first BD purchases.

Does anybody know how will be handling the next US realease, Sony or MGM?

Basded on the way Sony has been treating most of their catalog releases now, I really wish they would have a chance at it again.

It'll be MGM/Fox, with a new master from Lowry Digital.

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This disc has been terminated!
http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/11/terminator.html
Let's hope the replacement gets it right!
Original mono included in LPCM.

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Pretty funny review by Bracke there.
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This disc has been terminated!
http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/11/terminator.html
Let's hope the replacement gets it right!
Original mono included in LPCM.

I think it was discontinued because Fox ended up with the rights and reissued it with a slipcover to coincide with the theatrical release of Terminator: Salvation.

The new edition is expected in 2010 for when the new master is ready and cast/crew members are available to contribute. Van Ling plans on putting the mono track on it when it happens.

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Let's just hope that detail erasing DNR doesn't sneak in there (ie T2 Skynet Edition).
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That review is a joke. What a load of crap.

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I'm not sure if Sony has made a new high-def master for 'The Terminator' or what, but the film looks more stable, sharper and smoother than I've ever seen it. Again presented in 1.85:1 and encoded at 1080p, the most noticeable improvement with this new transfer is how clean it looks. Sony must have used some extensive noise reduction technology on this one, because scenes that were marred by excessive film grain on the previous DVD (such as the Tech-Noir attack sequence) are now much cleaner.

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So does that mean Cameron actually has time to supervise a new transfer, or will it be "remastered"?
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So does that mean Cameron actually has time to supervise a new transfer, or will it be "remastered"?

They dont need Camerons approval for a new Terminator transfer. He wasnt that big in Hollywood at the time.

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Let's just hope that detail erasing DNR doesn't sneak in there (ie T2 Skynet Edition).

Well Lowry DNRs everything, but it's probably the least offensive form of DNR available.
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Well Lowry DNRs everything, but it's probably the least offensive form of DNR available.

It depends on if they remaster from the orginal film elements or if they just do some cleanup of a previous digital master.

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If Cameron wanted to step in, he could. However, the fact that Lowry is doing a restoration is a good signal that we will get something better soon. Most likely they will show it to Cameron and ask for guidance. They do tend to do that.

Now if Lowry is just cleaning up an old transfer, well, it ain't so exciting. Maybe someone can get clarification from Van Ling. Most likely they would at least strike a new print and go from there. That is something they normally want to do at the minimum.

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I've been holding off buying The Terminator on Blu-ray just for all the reasons stated in this thread. I remember when I first bought my LaserDisc copy of the film in the late '80s--it was such a revelation compared to VHS. I really hope next year's Blu-ray edition will be an equivalent revelation compared to the SE DVD.

Movies look their best when they look like movies. More Patton-esque remasters!

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Not seeing any difference here as well.
I usually check the PQ thread when buying a movie to see where it ranks. Anything below gold (I have a few silver) I don't buy.
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The gain in detail on the BD is ruined by the softening of the massive DNR job. Not to mention the strange artifacts it adds to the picture at times.

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I've been wondering why my copy of "The Terminator" on DVD has some craptastic sound effects in it. Arnold's .45 longlside has some pathetic "pew-pew" sound, instead of the Dirty-Harry .44 Magnum blast. And Kyle Reese's 12 guage shotgun makes a very unsatisfying "thud" sound instead of a nasty, Terminator pounding "boom." Why did they ruin the sound on this?

And the T2 Blu-Ray was pretty disappointing too. No extras at all, and the PQ is barely better than the DVD. What a waste. I hope the "Skynet Addition" improves T2.

It's a shame that two of my favorite movies of all time have such poor HD representation.
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Hrm... do T1 and T2 deserve frame-by-frame restorations?
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The film prints seem to be in good shape so that shouldn't be necessary. Just an unmolested transfer would be enough for me.
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Pretty funny review by Bracke there.

That Bracke dude is an odd reviewer, he has the tendency to highly overgrade certain movies, just look at American warewolf in London!!

I would say the HD DVD score is more on par with the actuall High def quality on hand!!

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The new remaster is said to be done at 4K (unless I'm mistaken). It's safe to assume T1 will look better than it ever did. I only hope the mono mix track is PCM or loosless. I agree the remix missed the mark on way too many things (musical, gunshots, sound effects missing etc). I hope they redo the 5.1 mix fixing the errors.
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PCM tracks from laserdiscs often sound better. I don't know why they don't use them more often on Blu-rays.

In this case it would make sense, but many newer films had the "mixed down" 2 ch PCM on LD which may not be representative of the original MCH mix.

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dvd producer van ling is working on a new special edition bluray of terminator 1. it suppose to come out next year sometime. lowery is doing the remastering of the movie.. they have done other movies too. I have the bluray and I thought it was fine.

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Ling also produced the MGM SE that everybody loves to hate here.
Gary Rydstrom did the sound design and restoration on that, probably at Skywalker ranch where he worked at the time. I have a feeling that Matt Stevens won't be on a visitor list anytime soon.

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Thanks. I love these comparisons.
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I have a feeling that Matt Stevens won't be on a visitor list anytime soon.

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Could you guys please advise which one is better:

tem Description Price Quantity Total

The Terminator
The Terminator (1984) - Blu-ray Disc
(Lenticular Edition)
20th Century Fox Home Entertainment

Cover art looks different, how abt transfer.
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If you believe internet hearsay, there's a new 4K master in the works. I'd wait for that release.
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