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Ten Star Trek movies and only Wrath Of Khan and Nemesis are the ones that has a very satisfactory picture quality. Film like and natural. Nemesis PQ is excellent and the AQ is reference.

The rest of the movies . . . . . . . . the resulting PQ is nothing short of an abomination. The amateurs and the ignorants in charge of the blu-ray transfers are hell bent in getting rid of film grain no matter what. Nevermind if the resulting PQ has lost its fine details and look "waxy", as long as film grain is gone or reduced as much as possible. This is Star Trek: The Claymation™ Edition. They even try to boost the contrast, brightness and colors on some scenes to give it a little more "punchier" image.

Can anyone honestly tell me this is what the film makers intention? Do you go to the movies to watch wax puppets? You know what's worse? Just like Patton and other catalog titles the source material is in very good shape but those m****** over there decided to digitally alter and manipulate the image resulting in the piece of **** you are paying right now.

Again, the "reviews" will come out and as usual will praise this ******* because its "better than DVD" along with excuses to why, why not and "So what?!"

This format can deliver but this amateurish work is making it a "good enough" format. It has promised great things for AV enthusiasts and but its not doing it in a consistent manner.

After the hack job done to Gladiator I can tell you now that I am willing to pay double or triple the price of HD transfers done right. No excessive DNR and EE. From restored and remastered print. The rest of them who has no knowledge of the process and "Ok" with it because its in the blu case can have their Claymation™ version.


This sets are just a waste of time. Then again who cares? They already have your money. Right?

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Star Trek: Generations

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Star Trek: First Contact

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29              1:37:31.637     0:02:28.189     25,142 kbps     36,552 kbps     01:38:47.379    34,383 kbps     01:38:44.251    30,561 kbps     01:38:40.331    131,078 bytes   402,232 bytes   01:38:48.380    
30              1:39:59.827     0:05:35.084     22,511 kbps     40,815 kbps     01:43:54.770    34,846 kbps     01:45:13.223    34,798 kbps     01:45:10.887    117,363 bytes   470,416 bytes   01:40:44.955    
31              1:45:34.911     0:05:09.392     22,013 kbps     41,904 kbps     01:50:39.841    34,185 kbps     01:46:13.575    31,959 kbps     01:46:10.155    114,780 bytes   397,761 bytes   01:50:40.216    

STREAM DIAGNOSTICS:

File            PID             Type            Codec           Language                Seconds                 Bitrate                 Bytes           Packets         
----            ---             ----            -----           --------                --------------          --------------          -------------   -----           
01005.M2TS      4113 (0x1011)   0x1B            AVC                                     6644.221                22,788                  18,926,402,323  102,953,745     
01005.M2TS      4352 (0x1100)   0x83            TrueHD          eng (English)           6644.221                4,537                   3,768,301,782   27,063,414      
01005.M2TS      4353 (0x1101)   0x81            AC3             fra (French)            6644.221                640                     531,545,600     3,114,525       
01005.M2TS      4354 (0x1102)   0x81            AC3             spa (Spanish)           6644.221                640                     531,545,600     3,114,525       
01005.M2TS      4355 (0x1103)   0x81            AC3             eng (English)           6644.221                224                     186,040,960     1,038,175       
01005.M2TS      4356 (0x1104)   0x81            AC3             eng (English)           6644.221                224                     186,040,960     1,038,175       
01005.M2TS      4357 (0x1105)   0x81            AC3             eng (English)           6644.221                224                     186,040,960     1,038,175       
01005.M2TS      4608 (0x1200)   0x90            PGS             eng (English)           6644.221                31                      25,446,255      145,520         
01005.M2TS      4609 (0x1201)   0x90            PGS             eng (English)           6644.221                33                      27,649,750      158,424         
01005.M2TS      4610 (0x1202)   0x90            PGS             fra (French)            6644.221                32                      26,190,491      149,685         
01005.M2TS      4611 (0x1203)   0x90            PGS             spa (Spanish)           6644.221                30                      25,176,998      145,617         
01005.M2TS      4612 (0x1204)   0x90            PGS             por (Portuguese)        6644.221                26                      21,685,954      125,056


Star Trek: Insurrection

Blu-ray File size: 25.00 GB

Bitrate: 25.48 mbps


Code:
                                                                                                                Total   Video                                             
Title                                                           Codec   Length  Movie Size      Disc Size       Bitrate Bitrate Main Audio Track                          Secondary Audio Track
-----                                                           ------  ------- --------------  --------------  ------- ------- ------------------                        ---------------------
00005.MPLS                                                      AVC     1:43:01 26,915,401,728  42,876,515,713  34.83   25.48   Dolby TrueHD 5.1 3890Kbps (48kHz/24-bit)
Code:
DISC INFO:

Disc Title:     STAR_TREK_IX
Disc Size:      42,876,515,713 bytes
Protection:     AACS
BD-Java:        Yes
BDInfo:         0.5.2

PLAYLIST REPORT:

Name:                   00005.MPLS
Size:                   26,915,401,728 bytes
Length:                 1:43:01 (h:m:s)
Total Bitrate:          34.83 Mbps
Description:            

VIDEO:

Codec                   Bitrate             Description     
-----                   -------             -----------     
MPEG-4 AVC Video        25481 kbps          1080p / 23.976 fps / 16:9 / High Profile 4.1

AUDIO:

Codec                           Language        Bitrate         Description     
-----                           --------        -------         -----------     
Dolby TrueHD Audio              English         3890 kbps       5.1 / 48 kHz / 3890 kbps / 24-bit (AC3 Core: 5.1 / 48 kHz / 640 kbps)
Dolby Digital Audio             French          640 kbps        5.1 / 48 kHz / 640 kbps
Dolby Digital Audio             Spanish         640 kbps        5.1 / 48 kHz / 640 kbps
Dolby Digital Audio             English         224 kbps        2.0 / 48 kHz / 224 kbps / Dolby Surround

SUBTITLES:

Codec                           Language        Bitrate         Description     
-----                           --------        -------         -----------     
Presentation Graphics           English         38.660 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           English         40.948 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           French          39.500 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           Portuguese      36.379 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           Spanish         33.724 kbps                     

FILES:

Name            Time In         Length          Size            Total Bitrate   
----            -------         ------          ----            -------------   
01007.M2TS      0:00:00.000     1:43:01.800     26,915,401,728  34,832          

CHAPTERS:

Number          Time In         Length          Avg Video Rate  Max 1-Sec Rate  Max 1-Sec Time  Max 5-Sec Rate  Max 5-Sec Time  Max 10Sec Rate  Max 10Sec Time  Avg Frame Size  Max Frame Size  Max Frame Time  
------          -------         ------          --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  
1               0:00:00.000     0:03:08.021     26,570 kbps     37,762 kbps     00:01:04.481    36,209 kbps     00:02:05.917    35,950 kbps     00:02:01.788    138,494 bytes   533,350 bytes   00:01:22.999    
2               0:03:08.021     0:08:27.340     25,232 kbps     42,432 kbps     00:05:07.807    36,493 kbps     00:03:56.819    33,368 kbps     00:06:12.747    131,547 bytes   608,132 bytes   00:05:15.148    
3               0:11:35.361     0:03:19.490     25,702 kbps     37,302 kbps     00:12:51.979    36,021 kbps     00:11:36.987    34,568 kbps     00:11:35.361    133,996 bytes   372,988 bytes   00:14:37.001    
4               0:14:54.852     0:07:07.802     25,240 kbps     37,714 kbps     00:18:30.734    34,954 kbps     00:20:08.790    33,904 kbps     00:18:39.660    131,587 bytes   501,170 bytes   00:22:02.654    
5               0:22:02.654     0:03:50.563     26,645 kbps     37,962 kbps     00:22:25.093    36,127 kbps     00:22:24.968    35,950 kbps     00:22:23.508    138,914 bytes   581,204 bytes   00:22:05.657    
6               0:25:53.218     0:01:12.906     22,592 kbps     27,997 kbps     00:26:03.353    25,011 kbps     00:26:54.404    24,577 kbps     00:26:54.404    117,783 bytes   274,997 bytes   00:26:11.444    
7               0:27:06.124     0:09:01.999     27,888 kbps     39,362 kbps     00:33:27.338    36,370 kbps     00:33:23.334    36,004 kbps     00:33:20.164    145,394 bytes   578,509 bytes   00:33:30.174    
8               0:36:08.124     0:09:24.563     22,513 kbps     33,800 kbps     00:36:08.624    28,801 kbps     00:41:10.426    28,186 kbps     00:44:14.485    117,374 bytes   442,848 bytes   00:45:32.688    
9               0:45:32.688     0:06:13.706     25,759 kbps     36,930 kbps     00:45:43.657    36,044 kbps     00:45:39.570    35,922 kbps     00:45:34.440    134,293 bytes   434,229 bytes   00:45:33.689    
10              0:51:46.394     0:02:33.361     24,054 kbps     35,643 kbps     00:54:06.826    30,177 kbps     00:54:06.826    28,902 kbps     00:54:06.826    125,407 bytes   511,401 bytes   00:54:07.118    
11              0:54:19.756     0:02:39.200     25,740 kbps     38,894 kbps     00:55:56.561    32,069 kbps     00:55:49.721    31,343 kbps     00:55:49.304    134,199 bytes   310,971 bytes   00:54:24.761    
12              0:56:58.957     0:01:56.407     24,229 kbps     36,524 kbps     00:57:28.194    34,449 kbps     00:57:28.361    33,577 kbps     00:57:23.398    126,317 bytes   472,021 bytes   00:57:26.818    
13              0:58:55.365     0:03:01.890     28,530 kbps     38,721 kbps     00:59:29.899    36,295 kbps     00:59:29.899    35,874 kbps     00:58:59.827    148,743 bytes   620,899 bytes   00:59:31.859    
14              1:01:57.255     0:01:19.204     25,072 kbps     32,711 kbps     01:02:53.060    30,586 kbps     01:02:38.713    28,453 kbps     01:02:37.712    130,713 bytes   404,601 bytes   01:02:53.102    
15              1:03:16.459     0:05:22.864     26,173 kbps     38,130 kbps     01:04:58.060    35,658 kbps     01:04:54.015    33,845 kbps     01:04:53.055    136,454 bytes   549,156 bytes   01:06:54.218    
16              1:08:39.323     0:01:39.641     23,503 kbps     33,667 kbps     01:09:02.680    30,503 kbps     01:09:10.604    29,156 kbps     01:09:05.558    122,534 bytes   405,718 bytes   01:10:09.622    
17              1:10:18.964     0:01:08.443     27,638 kbps     37,940 kbps     01:10:35.606    35,880 kbps     01:11:18.899    32,795 kbps     01:11:17.398    144,094 bytes   520,593 bytes   01:11:27.408    
18              1:11:27.408     0:05:24.449     26,005 kbps     39,868 kbps     01:12:21.086    36,140 kbps     01:15:55.342    35,879 kbps     01:15:50.420    135,579 bytes   588,859 bytes   01:11:33.539    
19              1:16:51.857     0:04:02.742     24,041 kbps     32,170 kbps     01:18:33.417    30,053 kbps     01:18:29.955    28,106 kbps     01:17:05.662    125,341 bytes   400,206 bytes   01:20:38.917    
20              1:20:54.599     0:04:08.289     24,969 kbps     36,920 kbps     01:22:32.864    34,356 kbps     01:22:21.144    33,395 kbps     01:22:23.855    130,175 bytes   456,899 bytes   01:22:33.865    
21              1:25:02.889     0:04:22.428     25,756 kbps     38,429 kbps     01:26:54.375    36,316 kbps     01:26:50.371    35,947 kbps     01:26:45.366    134,278 bytes   548,311 bytes   01:26:55.376    
22              1:29:25.318     0:05:22.030     24,434 kbps     37,597 kbps     01:31:23.394    34,254 kbps     01:34:15.316    32,021 kbps     01:31:18.306    127,385 bytes   459,029 bytes   01:34:47.348    
23              1:34:47.348     0:02:55.675     27,818 kbps     39,840 kbps     01:36:31.368    35,968 kbps     01:36:27.364    35,611 kbps     01:36:22.359    145,031 bytes   669,176 bytes   01:36:42.338    
24              1:37:43.023     0:05:18.776     25,409 kbps     38,338 kbps     01:42:57.546    36,262 kbps     01:37:52.700    35,871 kbps     01:37:47.736    132,489 bytes   473,405 bytes   01:37:57.496    

STREAM DIAGNOSTICS:

File            PID             Type            Codec           Language                Seconds                 Bitrate                 Bytes           Packets         
----            ---             ----            -----           --------                --------------          --------------          -------------   -----           
01007.M2TS      4113 (0x1011)   0x1B            AVC                                     6181.634                25,481                  19,689,578,064  107,094,935     
01007.M2TS      4352 (0x1100)   0x83            TrueHD          eng (English)           6181.634                4,530                   3,500,292,584   25,286,077      
01007.M2TS      4353 (0x1101)   0x81            AC3             fra (French)            6181.634                640                     494,545,920     2,897,730       
01007.M2TS      4354 (0x1102)   0x81            AC3             spa (Spanish)           6181.634                640                     494,545,920     2,897,730       
01007.M2TS      4355 (0x1103)   0x81            AC3             eng (English)           6181.634                224                     173,091,072     965,910         
01007.M2TS      4608 (0x1200)   0x90            PGS             eng (English)           6181.634                39                      29,873,927      170,176         
01007.M2TS      4609 (0x1201)   0x90            PGS             eng (English)           6181.634                41                      31,641,661      180,515         
01007.M2TS      4610 (0x1202)   0x90            PGS             fra (French)            6181.634                40                      30,522,465      173,725         
01007.M2TS      4611 (0x1203)   0x90            PGS             por (Portuguese)        6181.634                36                      28,111,313      161,119         
01007.M2TS      4612 (0x1204)   0x90            PGS             spa (Spanish)           6181.634                34                      26,059,711      149,337


Star Trek: Nemesis

Blu-ray File size: 27.30 GB

Bitrate: 23.90 mbps


Code:
                                                                                                                Total   Video                                             
Title                                                           Codec   Length  Movie Size      Disc Size       Bitrate Bitrate Main Audio Track                          Secondary Audio Track
-----                                                           ------  ------- --------------  --------------  ------- ------- ------------------                        ---------------------
00002.MPLS                                                      AVC     1:56:30 29,326,516,224  44,995,661,951  33.56   23.90   Dolby TrueHD 5.1 3914Kbps (48kHz/24-bit)
Code:
DISC INFO:

Disc Title:     STAR_TREK_NEMESIS_AC
Disc Size:      44,995,661,951 bytes
Protection:     AACS
BD-Java:        Yes
BDInfo:         0.5.2

PLAYLIST REPORT:

Name:                   00002.MPLS
Size:                   29,326,516,224 bytes
Length:                 1:56:30 (h:m:s)
Total Bitrate:          33.56 Mbps
Description:            

VIDEO:

Codec                   Bitrate             Description     
-----                   -------             -----------     
MPEG-4 AVC Video        23904 kbps          1080p / 23.976 fps / 16:9 / High Profile 4.1

AUDIO:

Codec                           Language        Bitrate         Description     
-----                           --------        -------         -----------     
Dolby TrueHD Audio              English         3914 kbps       5.1 / 48 kHz / 3914 kbps / 24-bit (AC3 Core: 5.1 / 48 kHz / 640 kbps)
Dolby Digital Audio             French          640 kbps        5.1 / 48 kHz / 640 kbps
Dolby Digital Audio             Spanish         640 kbps        5.1 / 48 kHz / 640 kbps
Dolby Digital Audio             English         224 kbps        2.0 / 48 kHz / 224 kbps / Dolby Surround
Dolby Digital Audio             English         224 kbps        2.0 / 48 kHz / 224 kbps / Dolby Surround
Dolby Digital Audio             English         224 kbps        2.0 / 48 kHz / 224 kbps / Dolby Surround

SUBTITLES:

Codec                           Language        Bitrate         Description     
-----                           --------        -------         -----------     
Presentation Graphics           English         27.839 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           English         28.589 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           French          29.464 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           Portuguese      28.980 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           Spanish         29.385 kbps                     

FILES:

Name            Time In         Length          Size            Total Bitrate   
----            -------         ------          ----            -------------   
01002.M2TS      0:00:00.000     1:56:30.650     29,326,516,224  33,561          

CHAPTERS:

Number          Time In         Length          Avg Video Rate  Max 1-Sec Rate  Max 1-Sec Time  Max 5-Sec Rate  Max 5-Sec Time  Max 10Sec Rate  Max 10Sec Time  Avg Frame Size  Max Frame Size  Max Frame Time  
------          -------         ------          --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  
1               0:00:00.000     0:04:15.296     20,878 kbps     36,261 kbps     00:03:32.670    33,842 kbps     00:03:30.627    30,411 kbps     00:03:27.832    108,833 bytes   297,734 bytes   00:01:33.093    
2               0:04:15.296     0:04:13.544     27,334 kbps     33,996 kbps     00:06:34.394    30,554 kbps     00:06:30.932    30,050 kbps     00:06:43.569    142,505 bytes   317,020 bytes   00:04:59.549    
3               0:08:28.841     0:03:31.836     21,225 kbps     31,305 kbps     00:10:59.659    28,329 kbps     00:10:58.407    25,609 kbps     00:10:58.407    110,655 bytes   290,238 bytes   00:11:01.452    
4               0:12:00.678     0:08:14.118     25,795 kbps     42,787 kbps     00:14:15.396    35,186 kbps     00:14:44.508    34,790 kbps     00:14:39.503    134,483 bytes   666,009 bytes   00:14:16.230    
5               0:20:14.796     0:03:07.061     22,501 kbps     33,886 kbps     00:22:06.700    32,843 kbps     00:22:05.032    30,248 kbps     00:22:17.586    117,309 bytes   247,954 bytes   00:22:26.094    
6               0:23:21.858     0:02:25.895     26,192 kbps     32,639 kbps     00:24:33.180    31,038 kbps     00:24:38.226    30,613 kbps     00:24:37.684    136,554 bytes   253,455 bytes   00:23:57.185    
7               0:25:47.754     0:02:26.729     24,575 kbps     30,846 kbps     00:28:09.479    29,668 kbps     00:28:05.475    28,315 kbps     00:28:00.470    128,121 bytes   255,168 bytes   00:28:10.063    
8               0:28:14.484     0:06:17.710     22,759 kbps     34,710 kbps     00:33:30.133    32,905 kbps     00:33:26.212    31,142 kbps     00:33:21.249    118,653 bytes   400,237 bytes   00:34:32.195    
9               0:34:32.195     0:04:10.625     24,063 kbps     37,754 kbps     00:38:41.527    31,120 kbps     00:38:37.523    28,784 kbps     00:37:36.504    125,453 bytes   426,912 bytes   00:34:40.203    
10              0:38:42.820     0:09:06.879     24,548 kbps     31,584 kbps     00:42:17.952    30,117 kbps     00:40:02.858    29,520 kbps     00:45:23.887    127,983 bytes   277,995 bytes   00:45:00.197    
11              0:47:49.700     0:04:05.036     22,666 kbps     34,043 kbps     00:51:19.242    33,641 kbps     00:51:15.238    31,724 kbps     00:51:10.942    118,169 bytes   253,328 bytes   00:49:00.354    
12              0:51:54.736     0:05:01.592     23,658 kbps     29,603 kbps     00:55:38.168    27,849 kbps     00:55:34.497    26,147 kbps     00:55:29.451    123,341 bytes   212,759 bytes   00:52:02.744    
13              0:56:56.329     0:05:23.406     23,131 kbps     36,140 kbps     00:59:10.713    31,856 kbps     00:59:00.787    29,876 kbps     00:59:01.538    120,596 bytes   296,496 bytes   00:59:36.322    
14              1:02:19.736     0:04:06.037     25,323 kbps     35,203 kbps     01:05:37.767    30,944 kbps     01:05:29.592    30,599 kbps     01:05:30.301    132,021 bytes   249,421 bytes   01:05:33.804    
15              1:06:25.773     0:03:23.661     23,137 kbps     36,755 kbps     01:08:05.915    32,456 kbps     01:08:05.039    32,100 kbps     01:08:05.122    120,628 bytes   257,685 bytes   01:08:06.749    
16              1:09:49.435     0:06:58.584     25,703 kbps     37,617 kbps     01:11:42.006    34,067 kbps     01:11:41.839    30,879 kbps     01:15:38.909    134,006 bytes   267,478 bytes   01:11:42.840    
17              1:16:48.020     0:03:49.604     22,341 kbps     35,436 kbps     01:20:07.469    28,936 kbps     01:19:05.991    26,536 kbps     01:19:04.781    116,474 bytes   276,580 bytes   01:20:37.123    
18              1:20:37.624     0:04:57.922     24,697 kbps     36,502 kbps     01:24:38.531    33,926 kbps     01:24:06.958    33,293 kbps     01:24:02.203    128,760 bytes   278,086 bytes   01:25:19.489    
19              1:25:35.547     0:05:59.358     23,460 kbps     38,523 kbps     01:29:21.439    33,735 kbps     01:25:42.262    32,236 kbps     01:25:42.137    122,309 bytes   276,856 bytes   01:29:22.065    
20              1:31:34.906     0:03:48.478     22,747 kbps     34,497 kbps     01:35:03.364    31,292 kbps     01:33:40.990    28,456 kbps     01:33:38.446    118,595 bytes   283,600 bytes   01:35:03.531    
21              1:35:23.384     0:05:06.556     25,591 kbps     35,634 kbps     01:37:08.030    31,886 kbps     01:39:04.396    31,133 kbps     01:38:59.892    133,419 bytes   315,476 bytes   01:37:19.291    
22              1:40:29.940     0:04:37.860     22,609 kbps     34,994 kbps     01:41:14.276    33,988 kbps     01:41:11.482    31,538 kbps     01:41:09.480    117,873 bytes   254,274 bytes   01:40:39.575    
23              1:45:07.801     0:04:13.378     24,897 kbps     36,090 kbps     01:49:19.594    35,116 kbps     01:49:13.964    34,911 kbps     01:49:08.959    129,801 bytes   314,707 bytes   01:49:01.493    
24              1:49:21.179     0:07:09.470     22,094 kbps     45,185 kbps     01:56:26.104    34,768 kbps     01:52:23.820    34,299 kbps     01:52:20.108    115,199 bytes   440,900 bytes   01:52:24.362    

STREAM DIAGNOSTICS:

File            PID             Type            Codec           Language                Seconds                 Bitrate                 Bytes           Packets         
----            ---             ----            -----           --------                --------------          --------------          -------------   -----           
01002.M2TS      4113 (0x1011)   0x1B            AVC                                     6990.484                23,904                  20,887,662,051  113,617,814     
01002.M2TS      4352 (0x1100)   0x83            TrueHD          eng (English)           6990.484                4,554                   3,979,310,364   28,337,738      
01002.M2TS      4353 (0x1101)   0x81            AC3             fra (French)            6990.484                640                     559,252,480     3,276,870       
01002.M2TS      4354 (0x1102)   0x81            AC3             spa (Spanish)           6990.484                640                     559,252,480     3,276,870       
01002.M2TS      4355 (0x1103)   0x81            AC3             eng (English)           6990.484                224                     195,738,368     1,092,290       
01002.M2TS      4356 (0x1104)   0x81            AC3             eng (English)           6990.484                224                     195,738,368     1,092,290       
01002.M2TS      4357 (0x1105)   0x81            AC3             eng (English)           6990.484                224                     195,738,368     1,092,290       
01002.M2TS      4608 (0x1200)   0x90            PGS             eng (English)           6990.484                28                      24,326,603      139,463         
01002.M2TS      4609 (0x1201)   0x90            PGS             eng (English)           6990.484                29                      24,981,579      143,463         
01002.M2TS      4610 (0x1202)   0x90            PGS             fra (French)            6990.484                29                      25,746,956      147,211         
01002.M2TS      4611 (0x1203)   0x90            PGS             spa (Spanish)           6990.484                29                      25,677,123      146,836         
01002.M2TS      4612 (0x1204)   0x90            PGS             por (Portuguese)        6990.484                29                      25,323,537      144,931
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I like how the dvd and the broadcast version look virtually the same. The BD is waxy but there's some nice detail going on.
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Looking a bit waxy so far. I hope the screenshots get better.

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So far it reminds me a lot of the Baraka BD. Good detail, good colors, sharp edges, but the filtering renders it as plastic.
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Kirk needed a little bit of a wax job...the dvd and broadcast version make him look as if he is 100 years old instead of the 63 he was at the time of this films release.
The BD version has him looking much better... along with the great color and detail.
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BDs so far look a little waxy at first, but they definitely have more detail. The 'First Contact' comparison in Xylon's post #5 really shows this. So far, these TNG grabs look better than the TOS movie BDs.

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The changed the color timing quite a bit on Generations didn't they? Which one is correct?

It looks like all of them are DNRd. Maybe it's in the masters.

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Looks like there is a little DNR. In motion I haven't been able to detect it.
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BD is the best, by far, but clearly waxed on DNR and that is a shame.

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Not even close for me. The Blu-Ray version looks the best by quite a bit. Looks like some DNR, but I can live with it.
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Got the set yesterday and watched Generations last night.

It looked BEAUTIFUL. Some shots were a little soft, particularly those of Picard, but any time Data was the main focus onscreen, it was absolutely incredible. The detail on his face/makeup was rather astounding. Ship and space shots looked great, too.

The AQ was very surprising as well. Very full and powerful.

Overall, a hell of an experience. Best I've ever seen it. Make sure you check out that teaser trailer. That is one damn good teaser trailer!

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The changed the color timing quite a bit on Generations didn't they? Which one is correct?

It looks like all of them are DNRd. Maybe it's in the masters.

I don't know if either is correct. Going by the whites (in one capture), the DVD and cable masters were pushed a bit into red but the Blu-ray seems to push into green. The BD doesn't push as far into green in that shot as the DVD pushes into red, so I'd guess (again, from a single shot) that the BD is more accurate.
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The skin tones look off in Generations in the one shot so far provided. I think our eyes don't mind a little extra red but when you add too much green our eyes tend to tell our brains there is something not right. ( just my opinion )

I never saw it at the cinema so who knows maybe it's supposed to be more green.


The first screenshot from First Contact with Picard and Data holding their weapons looks so much better on the h.264 edition than on the actual Blu Ray. The other scene from First Contact look pretty good though.
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The skin tones look off in Generations in the one shot so far provided. I think our eyes don't mind a little extra red but when you add too much green our eyes tend to tell our brains there is something not right. ( just my opinion )

I agree with you entirely. I think the BD colors are closer to being right but the green push just feels wrong in a way that the red push doesn't - and I think it comes down to skin tones and whites.
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I agree with you entirely. I think the BD colors are closer to being right but the green push just feels wrong in a way that the red push doesn't - and I think it comes down to skin tones and whites.

I saw the film twice in theaters; a friend of mine even gave me, at the time of the theatrical release, a `private copy' of the movie on VHS and I watched this VHS several times before the movie was finally released for home video. I guess I therefore have a rather clear memory of how the movie looked in the theaters. If that memory serves, the color timing of the BD is closer to the original theatrical experience than the DVD, but it's slightly too green.
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I'm liking the green push on Generations. They've also added a bit more contrast vs. the other versions, which adds to the intentionally moody lighting on the bridge. The delicately blooming whites (look at the white 'halo' around Worf) are still held nicely.

First Contact does look a little odd, as at first glance it seems like it's been artificially sharpened - but in that case, where's the edge ringing?

Still, these two (appear to) look like gold compared to what Paramount did to the TOS flicks, and I can't wait to get this set.
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