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Really interested in thoughts on the audio tracks for the versions released of "Red". I'll stay tuned.
Someone needs to buy the 2disc edition for lossless sound. The rental and single disc edition for purchase only have DD 5.1. So be aware.

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Dances with Wolves (DTS HD MA 7.1) Tier 3

This was rather a disappointment to me, I guess my memory of the soundtrack is different then what is delivered here. It sounds thin and dated. Surround effects are poorly integrated meaning they jump rather then float and frankly they barely present for the a long duration of the movie. Bass is weak even on the famed buffalo hunt scene. Rifles sound like pop guns. Dialog is natural however, lacking that chesty overdub sound I love to hate. Music however lacks envelopment and it's top end sound veiled.[ I have the score on SACD] If you like the movie however there won't be a better version out there anytime soon, unless you prefer the theatrical cut which is not on this set.

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^ Well, I'll just go ahead and say that sucks. I had high hopes that it would be a nice sounding track. I'm sure I'll still get it, though.

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Dances with Wolves (DTS HD MA 7.1) Tier 3

This was rather a disappointment to me, I guess my memory of the soundtrack is different then what is delivered here. It sounds thin and dated. Surround effects are poorly integrated meaning they jump rather then float and frankly they barely present for the a long duration of the movie. Bass is weak even on the famed buffalo hunt scene. Rifles sound like pop guns. Dialog is natural however, lacking that chesty overdub sound I love to hate. Music however lacks envelopment and it's top end sound veiled.[ I have the score on SACD] If you like the movie however there won't be a better version out there anytime soon, unless you prefer the theatrical cut which is not on this set.

Amazing how far we have come. I am kind of leery of movies in the 10 year old and greater range for audio. What I take for granted as a ho hum track now blows many of these movies away from 10 years ago.

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Devil DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1 Tier 1

This showed up in my queue and I did not really know much about it. Just figured it for a third tier, direct to video horror flic. I am not sure if it was direct to video but it was ALOT better than I thought it would be. Pretty good quality production all the way around. Right off the bat the audio lets you know some real proffessionals put this together. The first half of the movie the audio was superb! Fantastic surround usage and very good lfe for ambience and effects. I struggled with the tier rating on this as the first half was just about perfect for what it provided for the movie. But the
2nd half things really died down and I thought they missed some opportunities for some better lfe. Some of this was due to the movie but still this was an exceptional effort for this type of flic.

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Pathfinder DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1 Tier 0

Had seen this on HBO, was able to pick it up at Target. Very good use of all speakers, some hard LFE, overall excellent sound presentation for an intense film.
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Someone needs to buy the 2disc edition for lossless sound. The rental and single disc edition for purchase only have DD 5.1. So be aware.

I did buy it,but have not had the chance to see the whole movie yet...
I did sample a few scenes though and they sounded really good.
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^ Well, I'll just go ahead and say that sucks. I had high hopes that it would be a nice sounding track. I'm sure I'll still get it, though.

Well if you like the movie you should get, and you might like the soundtrack better then I did, you never know.

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Well if you like the movie you should get, and you might like the soundtrack better then I did, you never know.

It's one of the rare movies that I can watch and enjoy on any system. I was just hoping for a more positive audio review (I tend to agree with your rankings).

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The Social Network (DTS-HD MA 5.1) Tier 2

Well this movie is not about the audio at all but the couple music scenes were odd to me in they were so bombastic.

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War of the Worlds blu ray from BB was a "rental" version but you guys are dead on the pods emerging chapter...holy toleedo that was major massive bass! It's too bad the PQ had so much noise and dark. I hope they do some digital re-master of this one cause it's a keeper for new subwoofer reference demo material.
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SAW The Final Chapter (DTS-HD MA 7.1) tier 1

Typical SAW audio track and nothing to complain about. Nothing demo worthy either.

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War of the Worlds blu ray from BB was a "rental" version It's too bad the PQ had so much noise and dark. I hope they do some digital re-master of this one
That was intentional.
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Secretariat (DTS-HD MA 5.1) Tier 1

Really enjoyed the heck out of those racing moments. Very commanding and with authority. It really felt like I was out on the track side by side with the greatest racehorse ever. Sadly, the quieter moments weren't as immersive as I would have liked and I noticed more ADR than I usually do which took me out of the film at times. It made me look forward to the racing scenes even more because I knew they would deliver.

The American (DTS-HD MA 5.1) Tier 2

The attention paid to the slightest detail was amazing. Ambient effects were perfect. Certainly the lower frequencies could have been a bit more prevalent but I thought for the most part, it suited the material. Mid-bass gunfire was tight and hit hard. Dialogue was perfect. Pans were seamless.
For this thread and rating system, it had the quality but not the quantity.
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The Social Network (DTS-HD:MA 5.1) - Tier 1
The soundtrack is mostly dialogue, but in the instances where it gets loud, it does so magnificently. The club scene was one reason I got the movie! Volume turned up, you really feel like your theater is a club! It's even more believable because the characters have to scream over the din of music. This scene rivals the club scene in The Dark Knight. And bass The score is mixed well, and features some addictive tracks from Reznor and Ross. Voices are well-prioritized and the only reason one would have to use subtitles is because of the main character's rapid speech. Surrounds are mostly ambient. Tier 1 for its high quality, but lack of more activity as tracks with higher ratings.
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The A-Team (DTS-HD:MA 5.1) - Tier 0

Pretty good bass, a lot of sound effect. Short of reference in my opinion though...
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That was intentional.

I know,.. read about that BUT is it suppose to look identical to dvd? blu ray should look somewhat better right? or maybe because it was a rental copy. And to make things worse, the aspect was 1.78:1 which to me is dvd death and it was an action movie too. I can understand something like The Piano but jeez a good sci-fi action thriller? It was like watching an ABC sunday night movie on your 25" zenith. I will NOT buy any dvd or blu ray that is not at least 2.25:1..with exception for animation.
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I know,.. read about that BUT is it suppose to look identical to dvd? blu ray should look somewhat better right? or maybe because it was a rental copy. And to make things worse, the aspect was 1.78:1 which to me is dvd death and it was an action movie too. I can understand something like The Piano but jeez a good sci-fi action thriller? It was like watching an ABC sunday night movie on your 25" zenith. I will NOT buy any dvd or blu ray that is not at least 2.25:1..with exception for animation.

Oh I can tell a huge difference between the blu-ray and the dvd. Sure the video noise is still there and contrast is overblown but that's a product of what Spielberg and Janusz K. wanted. Fine detail and compression issues are such an improvement however, that it makes the blu-ray look amazing compared to the dvd. (Not to mention the huge step up in audio! )
As for the AR, Spielberg uses both depending on the material. He probably wanted the tripods to have more height and seem more menacing so he chose the taller AR much like he did in Jurassic Park when he chose 1.85:1 for it.
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As for the AR, Spielberg uses both depending on the material. He probably wanted the tripods to have more height and seem more menacing so he chose the taller AR much like he did in Jurassic Park when he chose 1.85:1 for it.

I always hear this. I just don't get it though. In a movie theater the 2.4 image is the same height as the 1.85. Just that the 2.4 is also wider. For me the wider image is easier to show something being taller because you have more perspective around it. I have a constant area screen setup in my ht so scope or 1.85 are the same size for me. I still prefer scope as it gives a larger perspective. Would have been cool to see these movies in scope aspect.

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I always hear this. I just don't get it though. In a movie theater the 2.4 image is the same height as the 1.85. Just that the 2.4 is also wider. For me the wider image is easier to show something being taller because you have more perspective around it. I have a constant area screen setup in my ht so scope or 1.85 are the same size for me. I still prefer scope as it gives a larger perspective. Would have been cool to see these movies in scope aspect.

I agree. I guess he was thinking home viewing more than theatrical. Who knows.
I love scope ratio as well and I love it even more now that I have a scope screen in my theater.
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Spielberg favors the 1:85:1 ratio for some reason, only a handful of his films are wider then that ratio.

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Secretariat (DTS-HD MA 5.1) Tier 1

Really enjoyed the heck out of those racing moments. Very commanding and with authority. It really felt like I was out on the track side by side with the greatest racehorse ever. Sadly, the quieter moments weren't as immersive as I would have liked and I noticed more ADR than I usually do which took me out of the film at times. It made me look forward to the racing scenes even more because I knew they would deliver.

Agreed. The audio during the race scenes was clearly at another level. I loved how the caller's voice shifted to the surround channels while the front soundstage came alive with the thunderous gallops and movements of the horses.

I debated between a Tier 0 and a Tier 1 rating for this, but I think it fits more comfortably in the lower tier.

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Red (Dolby Digital 5.1) Tier 1

This vote is for the rental version with DD only. I won't dwell too much on the asinine decision of Summit Entertainment to grace their rental and movie only release of Red with a lossy Dolby Digital audio track while the SE with bonus features got a DTS-HD MA track.
So I can only rate the version I listened to and overall, it was a great design. It is really too bad that people who rented the film or who bought the movie only cheap release get gipped because all the pieces are there for it to be a reference track.
On the DD track, dialogue sounded great and surrounds were active and appropriate. Expectedly, some of the louder action sequences and explosions seemed to exhibit severe compression. Detail was lacking and dynamics took a big hit. It was noticeable to the trained ear.
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Spielberg favors the 1:85:1 ratio for some reason, only a handful of his films are wider then that ratio.

I would say more than just a handful....

The Sugarland Express
Jaws
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The Indiana Jones series(3)
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Red (Dolby Digital 5.1) Tier 1

This vote is for the rental version with DD only. I won't dwell too much on the asinine decision of Summit Entertainment to grace their rental and movie only release of Red with a lossy Dolby Digital audio track while the SE with bonus features got a DTS-HD MA track.
So I can only rate the version I listened to and overall, it was a great design. It is really too bad that people who rented the film or who bought the movie only cheap release get gipped because all the pieces are there for it to be a reference track.
On the DD track, dialogue sounded great and surrounds were active and appropriate. Expectedly, some of the louder action sequences and explosions seemed to exhibit severe compression. Detail was lacking and dynamics took a big hit. It was noticeable to the trained ear.

Well the lossless DTS-HD MA track does not sound that much different,it is not an overally dymanic mix to begin with.
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Well the lossless DTS-HD MA track does not sound that much different,it is not an overally dymanic mix to begin with.

That may be. Unfortunately I wasn't given the option to hear it that way when I rented the movie. I've seen numerous professional reviews give it high praise although in this thread, that sometimes means squat.
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which of these 2 'reference' audio Blu-ray's would people recommend if you only had to pick 1 to show off your home audio system, Cloverfield or War of the Worlds (not just focusing on LFE but an overall audio experience)?
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which of these 2 'reference' audio Blu-ray's would people recommend if you only had to pick 1 to show off your home audio system, Cloverfield or War of the Worlds (not just focusing on LFE but an overall audio experience)?

War of the Worlds for me.
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which of these 2 'reference' audio Blu-ray's would people recommend if you only had to pick 1 to show off your home audio system, Cloverfield or War of the Worlds (not just focusing on LFE but an overall audio experience)?

I own both and it is not even close for me. WOTW. Cloverfield has some killer lfe in the monster but the rest is pretty conversational. WOTW has the lfe and many instances of the most amazing and powerful surround usage I have heard.

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