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I've just received my copy of this month's Sight & Sound and there's a big double page ad inside the front cover for Eureka!

It includes cover art for a Blu-ray Disc release of Fritz Lang's M in February 2010, as part of the label's Masters of Cinema series.

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I've just received my copy of this month's Sight & Sound and there's a big double page ad inside the front cover for Eureka!

It includes cover art for a Blu-ray Disc release of Fritz Lang's M in February 2010, as part of the label's Masters of Cinema series.

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It will likely be region locked as Criterion owns the U.S. rights and have confirmed that they will be releasing it on BD.

Still, cool news and I love the Eureka cover.
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The news just keeps getting better for older B&W classics on Blu-ray! I watched The Seventh Seal over the weekend and it looked great even with the *gasp* GRAIN.

M is truly a great movie, and one that I would love to own on Blu.
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The news just keeps getting better for older B&W classics on Blu-ray! I watched The Seventh Seal over the weekend and it looked great even with the *gasp* GRAIN.

M is truly a great movie, and one that I would love to own on Blu.

We may be turning the corner !

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We may be turning the corner !

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I'm amazed at how many awesome classic and foreign titles are out now or are slated to be released in the next year.

If you just look at what Criterion and Eureka have coming out out from now until the end of 2010 and its obvious we are in for a good year (m, 8 1/2, City Girl, Sunrise so on)
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I'm amazed at how many awesome classic and foreign titles are out now or are slated to be released in the next year.

If you just look at what Criterion and Eureka have coming out out from now until the end of 2010 and its obvious we are in for a good year (m, 8 1/2, City Girl, Sunrise so on)

Yep. I'm really looking forward to Fellini's 8 1/2! That should look fantastic on Blu.
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I'd like to see some classic horror on blu like Nosferatu, Cabinet of Dr. Caligari, Vampyr.

Really surprised some classic horror titles weren't released in conjunction with Halloween.
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I'm amazed at how many awesome classic and foreign titles are out now or are slated to be released in the next year.

If you just look at what Criterion and Eureka have coming out out from now until the end of 2010 and its obvious we are in for a good year (m, 8 1/2, City Girl, Sunrise so on)

Don't forget "Metropolis".
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Don't forget "Metropolis".

That will be cool!

I also want La passion de Jeanne d'Arc, which has one of the best acting performances ever put on film imo.
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That will be cool!

Indeed, I'd love Metropolis!!

M is coming in Feb, 2010? That's pretty cool.
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The more Fritz Lang films that get released, on Blu-Ray or otherwise, the better. Every film fan should read his biography, The Nature of the Beast.
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The more Fritz Lang films that get released, on Blu-Ray or otherwise, the better.[/i]

It'd be nice to have Beyond a Reasonable Doubt even on DVD, let alone Blu-ray Disc.

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if caligari gets released on blu, then it would be great to have mult branching for different language intertitles.
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Just the day before yesterday, received my copy of the German "80th Anniversary Edition" by Universum (Blu+DVD Mediabook). The new restoration was made by TLE Films and is yet a step up compared to the Criterion or Eureka release (these were based on a photochemical 2001 restoration master).

The feature has English subtitles; two of the documentaries ("The Hunt for M" and "The Hunt for the Film Elements") are in English with optional subtitles; the rest of the features in in German with no subs.

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Does it have the German rating logo permanently somewhere on the packaging?
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wasnt the criterion restauration also made by TLE Films?
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Does it have the German rating logo permanently somewhere on the packaging?

The German logo is printed on the outside slipcase. The mediabook inside the slipcase doesn't have one.



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wasnt the criterion restauration also made by TLE Films?

According to the restoration producer Torsten Kaiser, both the Criterion and the Eureka versions use the 2003 restoration (whereby Eureka enhanced the black level during encoding). The German version is based on the latest restoration from 2011. Here I found some details on this:

"The correction/restoration work in gradation and density (i.e. the gamma, the black level, the white level and the contrast) were redone with much more detail as it was possible for the Criterion version, on our 2K Suite with a 6 meter screen and a Baselight 4 color correction console. By doing this, and because we had much more time, we could enhance the structure of the details which should be visible on the new master - especially considering the white and the gamma level.
Also, by editing we could once again enhance the removal of multiple scratches, tears and instabilities caused by glueing, compared to the 2003 version, because technical facilities have improved since then. "

Also, the German version has two soundtrack versions: "Preservation Master Track 2001" and "Restoration Master Track 2011". At the latter one, the scenes in film which are supposed to be silent, are in fact silent (by removing all noise in the relevant scenes); the former one has no filtering whatsoever and represents the analogue sound of the film as heard in 1931.
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Screenshots?

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"The correction/restoration work in gradation and density (i.e. the gamma, the black level, the white level and the contrast) were redone with much more detail as it was possible for the Criterion version, on our 2K Suite with a 6 meter screen and a Baselight 4 color correction console. By doing this, and because we had much more time, we could enhance the structure of the details which should be visible on the new master - especially considering the white and the gamma level.
Also, by editing we could once again enhance the removal of multiple scratches, tears and instabilities caused by glueing, compared to the 2003 version, because technical facilities have improved since then."

sounds good, but could be all for nothing if universal got their fingers on it afterwards
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What have Universal got to do with it?

Universum released it.
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While this is one of my favourite silent films ever I think I won't re-buy since I think the MoC release is allready so close to perfection. But that doesn't mean I'm not interested in more comparisons to the new UFA release.
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While this is one of my favourite silent films ever I think I won't re-buy since I think the MoC release

Silent films? MOC?
You're sure you're not confusing it with another film by Fritz Lang with the title starting with the letter "M"?


I made some pictures to compare with the DVDbeaver review.





Compared to Criterion / Eureka the Universum picture has been slightly zoomed in. For instance, the shot with the playing children, or also the shot with the blind balloon salesman (the "M" in the word "MÖBEL" is not visible at all). In fact, in the bonus features on digital restoration Mr. Kaiser explains that in order to stabilize jittering at places where glueing took place (which were quite bad at some places) they had to slightly zoom in.
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I made some pictures to compare with the DVDbeaver review.

That doesn't look very different at all...

I thought this would be a completely new scan, but it looks more like they just messed around some more with the same existing digital master.
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Silent films? MOC?
You're sure you're not confusing it with another film by Fritz Lang with the title starting with the letter "M"?


I made some pictures to compare with [...]

Thanks a lot for the comparisons - no excuse me I might getting drunk, not confused though....well I may still had my thoughts on the City Girl BD I just watched a few days ago (wonderful film too)..

Actually I think the use of the language in M is awesome in all its strength and modernity, it and this film really shows us how developed the culture was even way before most of us still living this planet.
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That doesn't look very different at all...

Well, there is something in this restoration which wasn't done before: fixing the vertical instabilization of the film which was introduced by perforation damage. Both the Criterion and Eureka have some quite wobbly sequences, which have been fixed here.

Another thing is some shots which were damaged or incomplete (like the shot with a police dog where there was a visible jump-cut) which are now complete using a copy recently discovered in France.

(the infos on what was done for this feature are from Torsten Kaiser; the instability issue is explained and demonstrated in the bonus featurette "160.000xM" on the bonus DVD. Unfortunately, screenshots can't really show it.)
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Caps look good, but I'm very happy with the Criterion version.

The packaging is quite nice on this new release.
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I dont like that the picture has been cropped AGAIN. 10 years and 5 restaurations more, there wont be any movie any more.
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I dont like that the picture has been cropped AGAIN. 10 years and 5 restaurations more, there wont be any movie any more.

LOL!

I have rented the Criterion BD and compared it to their DVD.
Although "better" than the SD, it's not worth upgrading to IMO.

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I also wouldn't say I would update if I already had a Criterion or Eureka release - even as they have slightly inferior restoration work and instabilities and incomplete shots, they are still good enough. However, if I bought the film for the first time (as, in fact, I did), I obviously would prefer the Universum version, as it obviously does have better picture and audio restoration.

And besides, it looks quite nice in the shelf.
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What I wish is that I could get scans and transparencies of some of these early film posters. I could have them back lit and they would fit my taste much much better in my light boxes outside of my theater.

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