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It has been more than a year since a HD transfer from a catalog release is good enough to join How The West Was Won in terms of beautiful, pristine picture.

This is not infected by amateurish digital "work" like recent Paramount titles. Those are just . . . . . trainwrecks.

Shot using Vistavision to compete against Cinemascope - (see The Robe "Fox Cinemascope Version" comparison *PIX*), the restoration team did a wonderful job remastering the 8K scanned transfer. I have seen this numerous times when I was just renting the laserdiscs (I can't afford to buy one at the time) and DVD. Back then I only have a 27" Sony CRT, now that I can see this on my 1080p 120" projector setup its a whole new experience.

As long as catalog titles are done right - No EE, No excessive DNR - the disc format will have the unanimous support from A/V enthusiasts and film lover.


Now about those digipaks. They are ugly. It doesn't fit with with the regular plastic cases. It has to stop. Long term storage will be a problem for this dics.

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Bitrate: 26.73 mbps


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TrueHD 5.1 1326Kbps (48kHz/16-bit)  DD AC3 5.1 640Kbps
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Protection:     AACS
BD-Java:        No
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  10,374,503      60,596
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Wowee! What a difference! Fantastic restoration of a classic movie. Now where can I find some more money?!!
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As a purist, I'm not a fan of cropping the image from 1.85:1 to 1.78:1. Many argue that it is minimal, but I think it defeats the spirit of aspect ratios and trying to get it as close to the original presentation as possible.

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It wouldn't be cropping, it would be opening up the image actually but I hear what you're saying.
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I found something strange re: the color on the Blu-ray, compared to the DVD. I've yet to check the old MGM laserdisc from the '90s, but...

At the end of the Glen Cove car chase scene, after the police are on Roger's tail, Cary Grant seems colorized. In fact, at the end of the sequence, the sides of his face - and particularly his ears - are devoid of color altogether - almost like a motion compensation issue during film colorization (as he turns his head, his ears leave the "color area"). This is *not* present on the DVD. What gives...? Other than this bit of weirdness - a glorious Blu-ray.

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I wouldn't call it reference, but it is very good. I watched the whole thing and noticed some mushiness and smoothness in a few scenes that are probably the result of DNR. No real fine detail in it either, but I'm sure its a limitation of the film stock.

Makes me wonder what video scores it would receive from reviewers if it was wasn't a classic and the 8K restoration wasn't advertised.
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I wouldn't call it reference, but it is very good. I watched the whole thing and noticed some mushiness and smoothness in a few scenes that are probably the result of DNR.

There was lots of diffusion employed in the photography, particularly in Cary Grant's scenes. This was always there.

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There was lots of diffusion employed in the photography, particularly in Cary Grant's scenes. This was always there.

Ha, I knew that was coming. I'm not talking about those scenes and its easy differentiate soft photography and filtering.
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yeah, while there's nothing to dissuade me from buying this, I would have hoped for the finer texture of the medium to be resolved to a greater extent. Whether DNR, compression, or soft source elements are at fault, I don't know, but the sky in post #3 looks oddly mushy.
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Awesome seeing the comparison and just how much it thumps the dvd. I also prefer the different colour of the blu-ray transfer.

This was probably my most anticipated blu-ray for the last year and change so needless to say I am glad it is finally out. One of the my favourite movies and possibly #1.

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Great in my top 5 movies of all time and not ruined, now that is rare
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I'm not a fan of cropping the image from 1.85:1 to 1.78:1.

In this case, being a VistaVision film, it is intended and supported for projection at anywhere from 1.66:1 to 2.0:1.

In fact VistaVision 35mm release prints are hard matted at roughly 1.66:1 and carry framing marks at the beginning of each reel showing proper framing position for 1.66:1, 1.85:1 amd 2.0:1.

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In this case, being a VistaVision film, it is intended and supported for projection at anywhere from 1.66:1 to 2.0:1.

In fact VistaVision 35mm release prints are hard matted at roughly 1.66:1 and carry framing marks at the beginning of each reel showing proper framing position for 1.66:1, 1.85:1 amd 2.0:1.

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Right. It was apparently show in 1.85:1, and the negative's ratio was 1.50:1. Well, that is if IMBD is to believed, and that's the Wikipedia of film, so it may not be accurate.

Long story short, I would like to see the director's original framing, whatever that may be, and 1:78:1 isn't it.
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Right. It was apparently show in 1.85:1, and the negative's ratio was 1.50:1. Well, that is if IMBD is to believed, and that's the Wikipedia of film, so it may not be accurate.

Long story short, I would like to see the director's original framing, whatever that may be, and 1:78:1 isn't it.



The earliest LD was at 133 and they opened up the top and bottom to accomplish this with minimal cropping on the sides.

On one scene, in the LaSalle Street station in Chicago, you can see the boom mike being moved back and forth.

I actually prefer VistaVision a bit less than 178, usually about 166 to 170. A personal opinion.
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I have my concerns about the color balance of the Blu-ray.

If you look at the earlier DVD, it is light, somewhat pinkish, and very pastel. Some scenes look very good, but it is not correct.

The Blu-ray looks muddied and dark in many scenes. Take a look at the crop-duster scenes in Xylon's scans. The sky is a muddy green.

In some ways, the Criterion LD is the best in terms of color balance, although also pastel in many places. I always find it exciting to watch anyway.

The Blu-ray is not my memory of this film, which I saw at Radio City Music Hall in the original release in 1959 and have seen many times since.

For comparison, the Vertigo restoration by Harris/Katz is much closer to my memory of Vertigo. [Both were films in VistaVision monopack dye-transfer Technicolor.]

I will be seeing NbNW in a few weeks with an archive dye-transfer print with carbon arc projection (nicer reds). I will try to get a reading from that and will report back.
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Ha, I knew that was coming. I'm not talking about those scenes and its easy differentiate soft photography and filtering.

Please tell us how to easily differentiate them.

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NEXT: someone else's post on AVS Forum.
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I have my concerns about the color balance of the Blu-ray.

If you look at the earlier DVD, it is light, somewhat pinkish, and very pastel. Some scenes look very good, but it is not correct.

The Blu-ray looks muddied and dark in many scenes. Take a look at the crop-duster scenes in Xylon's scans. The sky is a muddy green.

In some ways, the Criterion LD is the best in terms of color balance, although also pastel in many places. I always find it exciting to watch anyway.

The Blu-ray is not my memory of this film, which I saw at Radio City Music Hall in the original release in 1959 and have seen many times since.

For comparison, the Vertigo restoration by Harris/Katz is much closer to my memory of Vertigo. [Both were films in VistaVision monopack dye-transfer Technicolor.]


I will be seeing NbNW in a few weeks with an archive dye-transfer print with carbon arc projection (nicer reds). I will try to get a reading from that and will report back.

Awesome ! Some of us will very much appreciate your effort. The BD caps here do look very dark and seem to be lacking dynamic range but the nice grain and detail are difficult to criticise.

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Right. It was apparently show in 1.85:1, and the negative's ratio was 1.50:1. Well, that is if IMBD is to believed, and that's the Wikipedia of film, so it may not be accurate.

Long story short, I would like to see the director's original framing, whatever that may be, and 1:78:1 isn't it.

The thing with VistaVision is it's hard to know what "original framing" is as it was intended to be shown in a variety of aspect ratios, the choice being up to the exhibitor.
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More captures on Whiggles' site. I think it looks great at least in still capture form. I'm curious about the reports of mushiness in motion though. Did Lowry work on this one too?
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Long story short, I would like to see the director's original framing, whatever that may be, and 1:78:1 isn't it.

No sane director is going to frame for exactly 1.85:1 or anything else. Projection introduces significant variance and the AR difference at two theaters showing the same film is liable to be greater than the difference between 1.78:1 and 1.85:1. This is not a precise art.
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This is one I like. Non difficult to make out the matte line.A really cool shot though. I love this movie. Wish I had it in my hands.



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