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post #61 of 113 Old 03-24-2010, 06:14 AM
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I wonder if there is a chance of a Fortune Star BD of the Killer coming from Hong Kong in the future???


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Fortune Star's HK Blu Ray of "Enter the Dragon" dose not have english audio, how is this possible wasn't ETD the only natively english Lee film?
For anyone who has a copy please describe it in detail.

I'm guessing, since it's never turned up on Hong Kong DVD in English, that Fortune Star only has rights to the Chinese dubbed audio tracks for ENTER THE DRAGON.

If Fortune Star released THE KILLER, chances are we'd get an upscale like the POLICE STORY 1-3 or ONCE UPON A TIME IN CHINA 1-3 discs, with a terrible surround sound remix and no mono, and it would be absurdly expensive.
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I've been mostly happy with the Blu-ray releases of their own movies. A quick look at my filtered collection tells me that I've been quite happy with Inglorious Basterds, Clerks II, Zack and Miri Make a Porno, Planet Terror, Death Proof, Luck # Slevin, Halloween (2007), and The Mist.

Although the Weinsteins produced Inglourious Basterds, they sold the home video rights to Universal. So that disc is Universal's doing, not Weinstein's.

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Although the Weinsteins produced Inglourious Basterds, they sold the home video rights to Universal. So that disc is Universal's doing, not Weinstein's.

But the masters came from Weinstein, Josh. And they didn't sell the home video rights to Universal. The entire pot was split down the middle.
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If Fortune Star released THE KILLER, chances are we'd get an upscale like the POLICE STORY 1-3 or ONCE UPON A TIME IN CHINA 1-3 discs, with a terrible surround sound remix and no mono, and it would be absurdly expensive.

On top of that, the Fortune Star version of The Killer is barely fit for dvd, let alone Blu ray.
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Although the Weinsteins produced Inglourious Basterds, they sold the home video rights to Universal. So that disc is Universal's doing, not Weinstein's.

All I did was filter my collection for Weinstein Blu-rays in DVD Profiler. I'm not surprised that I got one in my list like that but I was a bit surprised that every single title that I had purchased on BD and was associated with them was a release that I'm quite happy with.
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What a shame. I figured no matter how crappy the PQ and AQ would be, it'd still be enough for me to want to upgrade from my Fox Lorber DVD. But this release is just bad. I would have taken the crummy PQ since my non-anamorphic DVD is nothing to gloat about. And while I'm sure this is better quality then that copy, I think it's the Pal speedup which is the real nail-in-the-coffin for me personally. Honestly, WTF? They didn't even get one thing right. Unless someone gives me the BD, there's no way I'd spend a dime on this and support this release. Just awful...
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Why does anyone care about PAL speed up, I have tons of R2 DVD's with it and they are all just fine.
I don't see what everyone hates about it.
YES I HAVE experienced a title that HAS NOT been pitch corrected and it sounds weird but for 90% of my PAL dvd's everything is fine.

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What a shame. I figured no matter how crappy the PQ and AQ would be, it'd still be enough for me to want to upgrade from my Fox Lorber DVD. But this release is just bad. I would have taken the crummy PQ since my non-anamorphic DVD is nothing to gloat about. And while I'm sure this is better quality then that copy, I think it's the Pal speedup which is the real nail-in-the-coffin for me personally. Honestly, WTF? They didn't even get one thing right. Unless someone gives me the BD, there's no way I'd spend a dime on this and support this release. Just awful...

Exactly how I feel.
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Interesting.

The screencaps on DVDBeaver show that the BD is the only Disc that has a title screen without any chinese letters. The only DVD that has exactly this title screen is the (PQ wise very good) German DVD which is based on a HD master from Atlas Film.
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Why does anyone care about PAL speed up, I have tons of R2 DVD's with it and they are all just fine.
I don't see what everyone hates about it.
YES I HAVE experienced a title that HAS NOT been pitch corrected and it sounds weird but for 90% of my PAL dvd's everything is fine.

Agreed completely, i don't know what the fuzz is about.
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Agreed completely, i don't know what the fuzz is about.

Are you being intentionally obtuse?
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Agreed completely, i don't know what the fuzz is about.

I can look past problems when other aspects are done correctly. I own plenty of Pal DVDs, but that was a different format. I'm able to look past things like Pal speedup because I understand the limitations of DVD and the possible higher quality the Pal counterparts could give.

Blu-ray doesn't suffer from these limitation. There's no excuse for this other then plain laziness. The PQ is from a 1080i master, and below mediocre. The films is sped up by 4%. The audio is lossy too. As far as I'm concerned, nothing was done right. Why should I support this?

I understand this movie will never look perfect. Just give me a true 1080p print with the correct speed, and I'll be happy. They don't even need to clean it up. I'm not looking for a million dollar restoration, I just want an accurate print. I look at what Warner did with their recent budget-release double features, and it puts this to shame. They managed to put four accurate and true 1080p prints on Blu-ray for under 35 dollars.

Nothing is likable about this release IMO.
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I think what some of you fail to understand is that most HK films are treated like garbage and finding the "best" transfer is usually still highly flawed.
I doubt that the Killer will EVER get better. this isn't Patton or Evil Dead 2, or the Star Trek films where they really could do better transfers.

However I wonder if Tarintino or Roger Avary personally own a good 35mm positive?

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I think what some of you fail to understand is that most HK films are treated like garbage and finding the "best" transfer is usually still highly flawed.
I doubt that the Killer will EVER get better. this isn't Patton or Evil Dead 2, or the Star Trek films where they really could do better transfers.

And what I think you're missing is that we could deal with the transfer that's on display here if it weren't for the easily avoidable technical gaffes on the part of Dragon Dynasty.
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Are you being intentionally obtuse?

WHAT.. i thought that i indicated my point clearly. You wan't that i twist it to wire for you...just in case?
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Agreed completely, i don't know what the fuzz is about.

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Why does anyone care about PAL speed up, I have tons of R2 DVD's with it and they are all just fine.
I don't see what everyone hates about it.
YES I HAVE experienced a title that HAS NOT been pitch corrected and it sounds weird but for 90% of my PAL dvd's everything is fine.

Here is why I care: To me, with PAL speed up, quick motions look unnatural and surealist, and it gets on my nerves hearing a well-known voice pitched too high. But that's just me. If you have nothing against speed up, go on enjoying your PAL DVDs!
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Got someone to send me a bunch of screenshots from the Blu, so here's another overly extensive comparison. Left is the Dragon Dynasty Disaster Blu-ray, right is the EMS German DVD that I reauthored with English subs, which was and probably still is the best DVD release of the movie.

























They both appear to be from the same master, as the geometry of the frame, and dirt/scratches/damage is in exactly the same places on both. No idea why but the transfer seems to have a 1.95:1 aspect ratio. EMS left it as-is, while DD zoomed it to 1.85:1.

Remember that while the Blu might look a touch better than the DVD sometimes, the ****ed up framerate will cause it to look like a day-time soap in motion. If the new DD DVD was properly frame converted, and has pulldown to play at 24fps, it could be a good option for those wanting a better looking DVD.

Edit: It was actually the German DVD, not the French.
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Remember that while the Blu might look a touch better than the DVD sometimes, the ****ed up framerate will cause it to look like a day-time soap in motion. If the new DD DVD was properly frame converted, and has pulldown to play at 24fps, it could be a good option for those wanting a better looking DVD.

Are you saying that the new DVD could be better looking than the blu-ray?

Don't tug on that, you never know what it might be attached to...
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Left is the Dragon Dynasty Disaster Blu-ray, right is the TF1 French DVD that I reauthored with English subs, which was and probably still is the best DVD release of the movie.

Holy cuss. Based on those screenshots, the DVD actually has more resolution than the Blu-ray. I think this is the first time I've ever seen a BD release that screwed the pooch THAT badly.

My Netflix queue says "The Killer has been removed". Just sad.

Movies look their best when they look like movies. More Patton-esque remasters!

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Are you saying that the new DVD could be better looking than the blu-ray?

I've seen people claiming that the DVD version from DD also has the PAL speedup issues - but I don't know if it's been verified or not.
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Holy cuss. Based on those screenshots, the DVD actually has more resolution than the Blu-ray. I think this is the first time I've ever seen a BD release that screwed the pooch THAT badly.

My Netflix queue says "The Killer has been removed". Just sad.

You might have that backwards. The BD definitely shows more resolution and more details that are lost to compression on the DVD. If they hadn't screwed up the frame rate, I would have been happy to buy this disc.

Edit: Okay, there are some instances where what I'm assuming is DNR is used on the BD and it scrubs away detail that can be seen on some of the DVD caps. But if you look at some of the more complicated shots like the city overview where they're standing next to the jeep or the church shootout where they're in the pews you'll find that the BD is much clearer and shows a lot of detail that's obscured by compression artifacts on the DVD. And it really does look higher res in those shots.
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Interestingly enough, even cropped from the French DVD, the BD has more frame information than the letterboxed Fox Lorber/Winstar release. I forgot just how bad that release looks stretched to fit the screen. It almost makes me want to buy the Dragon Dynasty disaster.
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Any clue if thar TF1 DVD is still available for import? I'd much rather have the SD transfer with the grain intact than the "HD PAL > HD NTSC" slop the Weinsteins are slinging at us locally...

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Any clue if thar TF1 DVD is still available for import? I'd much rather have the SD transfer with the grain intact than the "HD PAL > HD NTSC" slop the Weinsteins are slinging at us locally...

Definitive my eye, Dragon Destiny.

My understanding is that the TF1 DVD has no English subtitles.
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I think what some of you fail to understand is that most HK films are treated like garbage and finding the "best" transfer is usually still highly flawed.
I doubt that the Killer will EVER get better. this isn't Patton or Evil Dead 2, or the Star Trek films where they really could do better transfers.

I am so sick of reading opinions like this because they are so uninformed as to be stunning. Dragon Dynasty took a mediocre transfer and made it worse by improperly converting it to 1080i AND by using massive amounts of noise reduction to erase the grain, which in turn erased all of the detail.

This transfer is an abomination. I personally know someone here in NYC who had a private screening of a 35mm print about two years ago. It was a Circle Films print and while a little rough at real changes, would be vastly superior to the s***t Dragon Dynasty just gave us.

There is no excuse, NONE, for this kind of a release. It's due to both laziness and a studio being flat out cheap.

I've seen this film at least three times in 35mm (I also saw a 16mm reduction print) and not once has a home viewing version come close to looking like what I saw.

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Nothing is likable about this release IMO.

It's got a quote from me on the front cover.

(Taken from an old review of an unrelated DVD edition of the movie.)

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My understanding is that the TF1 DVD has no English subtitles.

I've never let that stop me before.

(It has film-based English subtitles on disc 2, but that's another matter entirely...)
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I've never let that stop me before.

Here ya go then: http://www.amazon.fr/Killer-%C3%89di...9636368&sr=1-1
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Sorry, the DVD screenshots are from the German release by E-M-S. I confused it with the TF1 French DVD of Hard Boiled I have. I imported them long while ago and forgot who released what. It was a pain but I hacked English subs into both of them. I updated my post to reflect this.
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For someone who hasn't seen the movie before will it still be worth picking up?

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