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Yes, this is a chick flick and I don’t have wife to put the blame on for me buying this. But as I stated earlier, my reason for buying this is because of its amazing soundtrack. Be My Baby, Do You Love Me, Hungry Eyes, I’ve Had The Time of My Life, and She’s Like The Wind. No movie can beat that! But plot-wise, it’s ok.

I went the Blu-ray route for this movie because I wanted the sharper picture and better sound. Well, the Blu-ray is sharp enough for me. And yes, while it does have some encoding flaws like the jaggies and inaccurate colors at times, the picture is much sharper than its DVD counterpart and that’s all I really wanted for a movie like this. And the sound is an improvement as well. It has a good Dolby Digital 5.1 soundtrack and an uncompressed 7.1 PCM track for those that want lossless audio and have the right equipment.

Therefore, the old Blu-ray release is fine with me.
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Considering this is a major chick flick and I only bought the original because my wife like the movie, I'm not double dipping. It looks good enough.

LMAO! Awesome approach!
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Just got it in -- and very quickly, it's an appreciable improvement. Looks similar to the older Blu master, just without the heavy DNR and weird filtering that sometimes appeared on the first release. Not loads of grain, but definitely more than before, and those weird jaggies are gone. Fans will be happy.
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Just got it in -- and very quickly, it's an appreciable improvement.

What about the black level? The old BD needed the brightness cranked to see any shadow detail, except on a few scenes that had totally different black levels from most of the movie. I would only buy the new version if I could watch it without having to mess with my normal display settings.

If you compare this scene on the two versions, I hope you can see more detail in the background on the new one without changing brightness.
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Yes, this is a chick flick and I don’t have wife to put the blame on for me buying this. But as I stated earlier, my reason for buying this is because of its amazing soundtrack. Be My Baby, Do You Love Me, Hungry Eyes, I’ve Had The Time of My Life, and She’s Like The Wind. No movie can beat that! But plot-wise, it’s ok.

When you upgrade to a projector and start viewing at over 100 inches you will double dip a lot more.

Oh and all this chick flick this and chick flick that, i find its either teenage boys who say things like that about movies or guys who are not comfortable with their sexuality, a film's a film and both sexes can enjoy this one without the labels.

Finally its AVS and its a forum so criticism of faults in these transfers is expected, if its perfect or really good then people praise the transfer but if its terrible people will shout it from the highest hill, when i used to have a smaller television i never spotted a fraction of the issues i notice now, hell i originally thought The Phantom Menace Star Wars DVD was fine, i stepped up to a projector and then i saw the issues, so what i'm saying is smaller screens coupled with your viewing distance can mask many issues.

Blu Ray is a format made for large screens, if the studio's do it right, if they do it wrong the higher resolution can make things stand out even worse than DVD.
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A few shots here: http://www.highdefdiscnews.com/?p=42653#more-42653

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hm, the ugly digital artifacts are gone, but it seems inferior in terms of actual detail, like it's scanned from a higher generation film element
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hm, the ugly digital artifacts are gone, but it seems inferior in terms of actual detail, like it's scanned from a higher generation film element

I have never seen any caps of the original but it looks more natural now, is it possible the detail you talk about was a sharpened image and thus artificial detail. ?
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I have never seen any caps of the original but it looks more natural now, is it possible the detail you talk about was a sharpened image and thus artificial detail. ?

i don't know, it looks like a pretty legit resolution advantage in many of the caps
http://images.blu-ray.com/reviews/2685_17_1080p.jpg
http://img11.nnm.ru/e/a/9/1/e/c269fb...ef40852b7d.jpg
http://images.blu-ray.com/reviews/2685_12_1080p.jpg

not really complaining since its still an improvement (and i dont care that much about the movie) but I'd kind of prefer the best of both...
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i don't know, it looks like a pretty legit resolution advantage in many of the caps
http://images.blu-ray.com/reviews/2685_17_1080p.jpg
http://img11.nnm.ru/e/a/9/1/e/c269fb...ef40852b7d.jpg
http://images.blu-ray.com/reviews/2685_12_1080p.jpg

not really complaining since its still an improvement (and i dont care that much about the movie) but I'd kind of prefer the best of both...

Are those screencaps above for the old or new release, they look awful, especially the Patrick Swayze cap.
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Are those screencaps above for the old or new release, they look awful, especially the Patrick Swayze cap.

Those are the old ones with the wierd jaggies. For detail they look quite good, but detail was inconsistent on the old Blu-ray. It's the dark scenes I'm particularly interested in, to see if they fixed the black level.
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Those are the old ones with the wierd jaggies. For detail they look quite good, but detail was inconsistent on the old Blu-ray. It's the dark scenes I'm particularly interested in, to see if they fixed the black level.

I was looking at the backgrounds in those old caps and you can clearly see grain removal has been applied, usually that means detail is removed too since the grain structure is the detail.

For me the new caps look more detailed and natural but i guess it all depends on how you view film grain.
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I was looking at the backgrounds in those old caps and you can clearly see grain removal has been applied, usually that means detail is removed too since the grain structure is the detail.

For me the new caps look more detailed and natural but i guess it all depends on how you view film grain.

Actually, the old Blu-ray is quite grainy so the detail is all there. It just seems like the a bunch of "enhancements" have been applied and that's what bugging people.
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My friend reviewed it and has some screencaps on his site:
http://blu-news.com/index.php/2010/0...lu-ray-review/
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Actually, the old Blu-ray is quite grainy so the detail is all there. It just seems like the a bunch of "enhancements" have been applied and that's what bugging people.

Ah, but is it grainy due to film grain, or is it grainy due to compression issues?
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Well, looks like it went from a bad disc to a middling standard-issue 80s looking disc. Better than nothing I suppose
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Actually, the old Blu-ray is quite grainy so the detail is all there. It just seems like the a bunch of "enhancements" have been applied and that's what bugging people.

I haven't seen it, just commenting on a few of the old screencaps provided and in those screencaps the grain looks scrubbed.

Look at the background of the one below, thats scrubbed grain.

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Facial detail is pretty good though.

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My friend reviewed it and has some screencaps on his site:
http://blu-news.com/index.php/2010/0...lu-ray-review/

Nice review. Here are a couple of comparison screenshots he did....







As you can see, the detail from the original release was all there. It's just those "enhancements" that caused a problem. The new release seems to maintain the same amount of detail, but this time, the "enhancements" were removed giving the picture a more natural look.
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The differences in framing is interesting. No clue in which one is more correct but the screenshots from the new release look too low to me.

Neither disc looks all that appealing.
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I'm just pleased that the significant aliasing is no longer present.
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Cap 1 - Blu ray has more detail at bottom.
Cap 2 - Blu ray has less detail at botom.
Cap 3 - Blu ray has less detail at botom.

Strange.
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The differences in framing is interesting. No clue in which one is more correct but the screenshots from the new release look too low to me.

Neither disc looks all that appealing.

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Cap 1 - Blu ray has more detail at bottom.
Cap 2 - Blu ray has less detail at botom.
Cap 3 - Blu ray has less detail at botom.

Strange.

The framing might be off but if you study Cap 1 a little closer you'll notice that the two aren't the same frame being compared either (chandelier behind Jennifer Grey's back, the guy walking in the back behind Patick Swayze).
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Oh, I see. THanks for pointing that out :-)
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The framing might be off but if you study Cap 1 a little closer you'll notice that the two aren't the same frame being compared either (chandelier behind Jennifer Grey's back, the guy walking in the back behind Patick Swayze).

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The jagged edges were terrible in the original release!
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Neither disc looks all that appealing.

Is this based upon screen shots? Have you seen the new transfer?

I just watched the new release.
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Those are the old ones with the wierd jaggies. For detail they look quite good, but detail was inconsistent on the old Blu-ray. It's the dark scenes I'm particularly interested in, to see if they fixed the black level.

The weird jaggies that would weave all over in hideous ways are all gone.

It now appears to be mastered in the 16-235 video levels standard as opposed to, what appears to have been, the 0-255 PC level standard last time (at the very least if you switch your set to PC levels and set your player to output PC levels some of the extra saturation and a fair amount of the lost shadow detail come back)

The weird artificial stuff is gone.

It's definitely not the world's crispest blu-ray whether due to a little DNR or the fact that is was an 80's teen movie is hard to say absolutely for sure but I have a feeling, like with many such 80's movies, the original was simply not the crispest thing in the world. Far better to leave it like this than try to mess around with it as on the first release (where they seemed to use a weird combo of DNR plus aggresive sharpening (of a more advanced form that doesn't produce halos) but the weird mix they used made it look kinda weird and nasty of course the jaggies just made it unviewable).

Anyway, it's worlds better than the first blu-ray release, they didn't mess it up this time, I don't think. It seems pretty natural looking.
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The jagged edges and excessive DNR are gone, and even more importantly the black level is correct. There's a lot of stuff in the shadows you couldn't see on the original Blu-ray even after you cranked the brightness. Overall detail is not much different, but that movie is never going to look sharp.

Unfortunately it comes in the least-manly looking case you could ever imagine. They asked to see my man card at the cash and cut it up with scissors on the spot .
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My friend reviewed it and has some screencaps on his site:
http://blu-news.com/index.php/2010/0...lu-ray-review/

"The film now looks much more natural and film-like, which perhaps may underwhelm a few viewers.

While I thought the previous Blu-ray release was horrendous, I actually liked the boost in certain colors; it made the film look a bit less dated. In comparison, this new release looks far more natural which at the same time makes the movie look a lot flatter.
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Oh no don't be going around saying stuff like that otherwise all hopes for naturally mastered blu-rays will go away!
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Unfortunately it comes in the least-manly looking case you could ever imagine. They asked to see my man card at the cash and cut it up with scissors on the spot .

haha that's why they made Amazon

I bet a good Seinfeld episode could be made out of this somehow hah.
George has to be the one to buy it.
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