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Another reviewer not too happy.


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At least to me and many others it is disheartening that those who do know better are willing to reward lackluster effort because they are impatient and are conscientiously settling.

Where as much of LOTR fan base are unaware that Warner is delivering a product less than they and the films deserve.

I am totally aware that this release could have been a lot better. However, I am not going to "punish" Warner or anyone else by not buying it. I firmly believe that if I purchase and watch and listen to this release that I will not contract some terminal disease. On the contrary, I fully expect to enjoy this release. It's not going to be everything I had hoped, but it won't be garbage. If you want to see garbage, check out The Killer on Blu. That transfer is horrible.

Later, when the EE versions come out, I will buy them too. And if the EE versions show no upgrade in visual quality, will you still avoid purchasing it? I won't. That is my perogative, just as it is your perogative not to.

You do as you see fit, but don't criticize me just because I don't do like you choose to do. It really doesn't help your cause.
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Another reviewer not too happy.


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I understand people are disappointed with this release since I am in that same boat, but this guy has not even watched the blu rays yet His video feels pretty ridiculous in light of that.

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Well mine is shipping, but it is disheartening to hear of the video quality. Being a audio enthusiast, i'm hoping the audio will make up for any lack of video.
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Well mine is shipping, but it is disheartening to hear of the video quality. Being a audio enthusiast, i'm hoping the audio will make up for any lack of video.

There will be no lack of video. In fact, there will be about 10 hours of video.

Seriously, pretty much all the reviews of the audio that I've read have been very positive.
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You do as you see fit, but don't criticize me just because I don't do like you choose to do. It really doesn't help your cause.

Perhaps my comment is overly critical than my intention, per se.

At least in my view point if one is willing to make the investment to have a reasonably capable display and audio system to enjoy HD media, there would be a justified inherent desire to acquire the discs that best replicate the originating source with little to no comprise.

Plenty of examples that show it can be done and every one is happy.

My opinion is not based in some punitive need to 'punish' Warner, it is grounded in the reality that Warner copped out and is providing a halfhearted money grab that will be justified when no one objects.

Companies sometimes listen to complaints but frequently if the objections are not prominent enough to affect profits they will be ignored. Best way to make a company correct a fault is to endanger their bottom line.

I am writing an actual physical letter to express my disappointment and to give, even the minutest comparative, weight to my objections I'll refrain from purchasing this set at this time.

For me at least when a company expects me to upgrade my 'antiquated' copies of their products they better provide a substantially improved replacement in exchange for my money.

Anyhow enjoy the discs, it is of course your prerogative. ;}

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It is a shame Sony cannot over see the authoring practice of other studios. At least a rule in place..do not apply DNR or EE within the BD platform.
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Sony does have a tendency to change contrast which has been proven to be detrimental and destructive to picture quality, doesn't always happen but far to frequently, however they at least generally refrain from applying DNR and EE.

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It is a shame Sony cannot over see the authoring practice of other studios. At least a rule in place..do not apply DNR or EE within the BD platform.

I agree 100% Alan. I know we have butted heads in the past on a similar issue, but you guys have converted me as far as what you are in support of. Now is there anything we can do as consumers that would aid in the EEs hopefully not turning out the same way?

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Sony does have a tendency to change contrast which has been proven to be detrimental and destructive to picture quality, doesn't always happen but far to frequently, however they at least generally refrain from applying DNR and EE.

The remastered Fifth Element has EE.
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If they had simply released the trilogy in 720P with 640K DD, would you have felt the same way? Because it would be in a reasonably higher HD resolution along with better than average DD audio.

I agree. And strictly speaking, they could have released the trilogy in standard definition with all the overzealous filtering turned off and it would have had a reasonably higher perceptible resolution.

Personally, I always intended to wait for the extended editions anyway: in my opinion, ROTK at the very least NEEDS to be seen in its extended form given Peter Jackson's baffling decision to cut the demise of Saruman and the encounter with the Mouth of Sauron from the theatrical cut. I find that his take on the books is flawed enough as it is without losing what are in my mind two of the most crucial events in the entire trilogy. As such, the disappointing image quality of this release doesn't really affect me one way or the other, except in a head-shaking "How could they foul up THESE movies?" way.
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I agree 100% Alan. I know we have butted heads in the past on a similar issue, but you guys have converted me as far as what you are in support of. Now is there anything we can do as consumers that would aid in the EEs hopefully not turning out the same way?

Always good opposing dialogue. If we all agreed this would be a boring place. While we all have different tolerance ( variable display size also add to this ) I would like to think there isn't anyone who would not prefer the ideal transfer we all hope for.

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The remastered Fifth Element has EE.

I have to agree with you on his title. I always felt it was edgy. Not so when I saw it in the cinema.
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I have to agree with you on his title. I always felt it was edgy. Not so when I saw it in the cinema.

The Nordic Fifth Element Blu-Ray is totally EE-free. Unfortunately it's a bit too bright and has a slightly yellow tint...
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For me it's simple: if they are better than the DVD, then it's a no brainer. Warts and all, tomorrows release is the highest quality version of LOTR available.

This is true, they are better than the dvd but they could
have been so much better.

The sound on all three are outstanding.

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Petmic10 - nice review. I have a 60" display myself (ISF calibrated SXRD A3000) so it's good to read comments from someone with the same sized display and similar seating distance. I have the same sub as yours too. I am looking forward to the audio. I'm going to see tomorrow if a couple of local video stores have these for rental. I cannot bring myself to buy these though.

You will enjoy the audio immensely.

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"I wrote Peter about this and the response I got basically said that the NEW LINE DVD team that he had a fabulous relationship is no longer the team handling the title. Instead TIME WARNER’s huge team is and he is not included in any of the decision making processes with the title. And if that scares the **** out of you, it scares the **** out of me."
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Really???

Wow, I'm kinda shocked this wasn't New Line's fault. They're the ones with the DNR track record, unless there are some WB examples I just haven't heard about.
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I'll wait till dusk to begin viewing FOTR. I EXPECT the audio to be exemplary based on reviews and then viewers opinions. Dusk gives me enough time for finish to not have to worry about the volume I'm listening being in an apartment.

Maybe watching at dusk and then total dark is better than watching during the day for PQ??

Sorry Yankees, you ticked me off the other night and LOTR is bigger than your game tonight anyway!
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LOTR I- isn't a dnr disaster like Patton, Evil Dead 2, or the first 6 Star Treks.

The proper setting for sharpness is always0.
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LOTR I- isn't a dnr disaster like Patton, Evil Dead 2, or the first 6 Star Treks.

Trek II isn't all DNR'y. The only one that had an actual remaster.
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I remember when Gangs of New York and Gladiator were ripped also due to supposed PQ issues, I own both and I am fairly happy with how they look. Could they be better, sure but they are still years beyond the DVDs and that is good enough for me, so I will be pleased with this also methinks.
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I remember when Gangs of New York and Gladiator were ripped also due to supposed PQ issues, I own both and I am fairly happy with how they look. Could they be better, sure but they are still years beyond the DVDs and that is good enough for me, so I will be pleased with this also methinks.


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http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...1#post14211731

I hope you are pulling our legs.

Anyhow, from what I've seen so far LOTR is not the same level of travesty as Gangs, Gladiator, Patton, or Dark City; but smeg it is a shame it couldn't have been done correctly the first time.

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"I wrote Peter about this and the response I got basically said that the NEW LINE DVD team that he had a fabulous relationship is no longer the team handling the title. Instead TIME WARNER's huge team is and he is not included in any of the decision making processes with the title.

According to the previous news Peter himself had seen it. Interesting.
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I remember when Gangs of New York and Gladiator were ripped also due to supposed PQ issues, I own both and I am fairly happy with how they look. Could they be better, sure but they are still years beyond the DVDs and that is good enough for me, so I will be pleased with this also methinks.

If you liked both of them, than you will love Lord of the Rings.

Gangs of New York was remastered and released recently and
I believe Gladiator is also being remastered for re-release in the
near future to fix "supposed" pq issues.

http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=4141

http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/2951...emastered.html

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According to the previous news Peter himself had seen it. Interesting.

Not to bash PJ, he's one my my favorite directors, but I've seen how he does his editing and dailies. Its on a monitor thats not more than 40 inches across, and he's lying down on a couch sideways. I'm just saying thats probably not the best way to do it.

He probably trusted the studio not to filter it, and they did. Who knows. I really worry since he did view it all of us unhappy with it will just come off as fanatical nutjobs and we really won't be heard.
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Yeah, except didn't he view it like three years ago? A lot can happen in that time.
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"I wrote Peter about this and the response I got basically said that the NEW LINE DVD team that he had a fabulous relationship is no longer the team handling the title. Instead TIME WARNER's huge team is and he is not included in any of the decision making processes with the title. And if that scares the **** out of you, it scares the **** out of me."

Holy hell if true.

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Really???

Wow, I'm kinda shocked this wasn't New Line's fault. They're the ones with the DNR track record, unless there are some WB examples I just haven't heard about.


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