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post #721 of 744 Old 01-11-2011, 04:26 PM
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I recently checked this on my 50" kuro in the middle of the day and it was hard to see a lot of the detail. I turned it off and checked again at night with the lights off and it looked fine. It's just a dark movie and needs to be watched in a dark environment or it won't look good. Harry Potter and the Half Blood Prince is another good example. Didn't look good during the day but great at night.

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I recently checked this on my 50" kuro in the middle of the day and it was hard to see a lot of the detail. I turned it off and checked again at night with the lights off and it looked fine. It's just a dark movie and needs to be watched in a dark environment or it won't look good. Harry Potter and the Half Blood Prince is another good example. Didn't look good during the day but great at night.
...which confirms that some BDs are now being produced with the same intention as the original theatrical presentations.

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I finally got around to watching this one last night, and loved it. It was a very filmlike presentation. Now, I can't pretend to remember exactly how a film looked 18 years ago, but I saw Mohicans at the Uptown in DC, and the BD was very reminiscent of my memory of that presentation.

I watched last night in a dark room, and I thought the brightness was just right. Once, I switched on a lamp for a minute, and it did reduce the intelligibility of the image.

The sound was also very impressive. On a few of the music cues, it sounded like the orchestra was drifting in and out of tune a little bit. Maybe the soundtrack was warped, or maybe the orchestra WAS out of tune!

It's BDs like this one and Escape from NY that remind me how good films used to look, before the current trend of digital filming, cranked contrast, ridiculous color timing games, etc.

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I dunno about the last part, Doug. The revised teal skies in LOTM come under the "ridiculous colour timing" banner for me.
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I finally got around to watching this one last night, and loved it. It was a very filmlike presentation. Now, I can't pretend to remember exactly how a film looked 18 years ago, but I saw Mohicans at the Uptown in DC, and the BD was very reminiscent of my memory of that presentation.

I watched last night in a dark room, and I thought the brightness was just right. Once, I switched on a lamp for a minute, and it did reduce the intelligibility of the image.

The sound was also very impressive. On a few of the music cues, it sounded like the orchestra was drifting in and out of tune a little bit. Maybe the soundtrack was warped, or maybe the orchestra WAS out of tune!

It's BDs like this one and Escape from NY that remind me how good films used to look, before the current trend of digital filming, cranked contrast, ridiculous color timing games, etc.

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I also saw this at the Uptown (in 70mm) and the thing that most impressed me was the audio, the canon's were so intense, LOUD and deep in bass, that I thought the walls were going to crack
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The sound was also very impressive. On a few of the music cues, it sounded like the orchestra was drifting in and out of tune a little bit. Maybe the soundtrack was warped, or maybe the orchestra WAS out of tune!

Every version I've ever seen has been like that. I used to assume it was just VHS being rubbish!
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I dunno about the last part, Doug. The revised teal skies in LOTM come under the "ridiculous colour timing" banner for me.
Good catch. I admit that I didn't notice that.

Oh, one more thing about the dimness of the image. Several people complained in particular about how dark the night scenes were at the fort. I do remember the same thing when I saw it in the theatre. Those scenes were intentionally dark. In fact, when he's talking to the settlers before they skedaddle back to their homes, I could barely see their faces, and the BD looked about the same.

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Good catch. I admit that I didn't notice that.

Oh, one more thing about the dimness of the image. Several people complained in particular about how dark the night scenes were at the fort. I do remember the same thing when I saw it in the theatre. Those scenes were intentionally dark. In fact, when he's talking to the settlers before they skedaddle back to their homes, I could barely see their faces, and the BD looked about the same.

What's interesting to me is how people use "what it looked like in the theater" as a benchmark. Yet with rare exceptions, I've never seen the same movie look the same in two different theaters, ever. Chain theaters intentionally running lamps at reduced levels to extend their life is only one reason; there are a number of variables that can affect the sound and projection of a movie.

Screens are not all the same color. Lamps have different color temperatures. There are all manner of potential focus and framing issues. Every sound system and room have their own audio characteristics. (All this is why the THX system was supposedly invented, but how many THX-calibrated rooms have you ever actually seen a movie in?)

I expect Blu-rays to look (and sound) better than the movie did in the theater, because most theaters suck, almost none of them are calibrated or maintained to any common standard.

IMO, LOTM is fine not because it replicates any earlier experience of watching the movie, but because watching it in my HT is satisfying in its own right. I apply the same standard to watching a movie at home that I do when seeing it for the first time in the theater.

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Quite right, rdclark. When I compare a BD to vague theatrical memories from 20-30 years ago, it's not about specifics, but about the general quality that a theatrical presentation of an anamorphic 35mm film had on a big screen. There are qualities that a fine film has that digital recording just can't match - yet.

And, although you're right about the variation between different theatres, projectionists, etc., I generally consider the Uptown to be one of the best theatres I've ever attended. They usually keep very high standards for their presentations.

Of course, that doesn't mean that the way I saw Mohicans there matched Mann's intentions, then or now.

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What's interesting to me is how people use "what it looked like in the theater" as a benchmark. Yet with rare exceptions, I've never seen the same movie look the same in two different theaters, ever. Chain theaters intentionally running lamps at reduced levels to extend their life is only one reason; there are a number of variables that can affect the sound and projection of a movie.


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if that is all the issues you have when you go to the theater, you are very lucky person.

For the last ten years, I have had to repeatedly go complain about focus to someone to have them re-focus the picture on the screen, but even then they do not get right about half the time..(problem is I have 20-20 vision or better actually, so I guess most people are not noticing it) Then there the hairs and debris that show up from not cleaning their equipment or whatever....

Frankly, I have seen a number of different home theater projector setups at various places that sell the stuff, and they are all vastly superior to what the a number of the chains around here offer at the theater (although they do have better popcorn than i got at home)

One day I shall have such a set up in the house, but now I have to deal with a 63 inch plasma in the living room, which can only be dimly lit unless half the house has the lights turned off in the middle of the night, and Mohicans is just too dark for me.....but I adjust the brightness and it becomes better, but not as good as I want.

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if that is all the issues you have when you go to the theater, you are very lucky person.

For the last ten years, I have had to repeatedly go complain about focus to someone to have them re-focus the picture on the screen, but even then they do not get right about half the time..(problem is I have 20-20 vision or better actually, so I guess most people are not noticing it) Then there the hairs and debris that show up from not cleaning their equipment or whatever....

Frankly, I have seen a number of different home theater projector setups at various places that sell the stuff, and they are all vastly superior to what the a number of the chains around here offer at the theater (although they do have better popcorn than i got at home)

One day I shall have such a set up in the house, but now I have to deal with a 63 inch plasma in the living room, which can only be dimly lit unless half the house has the lights turned off in the middle of the night, and Mohicans is just too dark for me.....but I adjust the brightness and it becomes better, but not as good as I want.

One reason I go to the movie theater once or twice a year, if that.

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Not Yet will find out soon, and details on what cut they use also.
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This will be $4 at Amazon on Sunday 11/25
http://www.amazon.com/gp/feature.html?tag=dealnewscom&docId=1000845091

Very cool, thanks.
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Just snagged it, along with a pre-order of THE FOLLOWING (that one half off!) and PROMETHEUS at 70% off.

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The Criterion release for Brazil is more than half off at $20.99 right now on Amazon.
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This will be $4 at Amazon on Sunday 11/25
http://www.amazon.com/gp/feature.html?tag=dealnewscom&docId=1000845091

Damn I missed it.
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I hope there is another deal on this soon.
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I've seen it at WalMart for several dollars in their Blu-Ray rack.
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I've seen it at WalMart for several dollars in their Blu-Ray rack.

Damn, that means I would actually have to go into a wallmart....
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You could stand out side and pay someone to bring it out to you like kids do for beer . . .
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