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Brutal fail

I just can't . . . . its such a . . . . . so much . . . . why do they even bother?


As every A/V geek knows for the past two weeks the initial review(s) is not very good. Then I read Robert A. Harris:

Same person from the back of the Criterion DVD to those not familiar:
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review from HT forum and I quote "It has been turned, on this Blu-ray, into a sideshow pipsqueak, an ugly and unfortunate bit of home video fodder, which would be far better suited to VHS."

For me it means that piece of **** HD DVD PQ is now an uber piece of **** PQ on blu-ray. How Universal manage to do this? I do not know. Mind boggling.

Does the studio even care? I mean I bought THREE FREAKING VERSION FROM THREE DIFFERENT FORMATS of the movie (Laserdisc would have been a fourth but it was too expensive for me back then). They already made so much money from suckers (like me). But all I'm asking that don't shove pieces of **** on the us. Defrauding or Scamming your Cx is not a very good proposition. I don't care which studio is releasing HD movies I will hold on to your promise(sic) in delivering:


Anyone, I mean anyone trying to spin this all I'm gonna say is **** ***!
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Criterion DVD


HD DVD file size: 27.00 GB

Bitrate: 16.96 mbps VC-1



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                                                                                        Total     Video
Title                                   Codec   Length  Movie Size      Disc Size       Bitrate Bitrate Main Audio Track        IME     Secondary Audio Track
-----                                   -----   ------- --------------  --------------  ------- ------- -------------------     ---     ---------------------

Spartacus                               VC-1    3:16:33 29,049,458,688* 29,591,076,295  19.70   16.96   DDPlus 5.1 1536Kbps     No


Blu-ray file size: 38.20 GB

Bitrate: 21.99 mbps AVC



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                                                                                                                Total   Video                                             
Title                                                           Codec   Length  Movie Size      Disc Size       Bitrate Bitrate Main Audio Track                          

Secondary Audio Track
-----                                                           ------  ------- --------------  --------------  ------- ------- ------------------                        

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00000.MPLS                                                      AVC     3:16:44 41,117,190,144  43,439,998,572  27.87   21.99   DTS-HD Master 5.1 3491Kbps (48kHz/24-bit)
Code:
DISC INFO:

Disc Title:     SPARTACUS
Disc Size:      43,439,998,572 bytes
Protection:     AACS
BD-Java:        Yes
BDInfo:         0.5.4

PLAYLIST REPORT:

Name:                   00000.MPLS
Length:                 3:16:44 (h:m:s)
Size:                   41,117,190,144 bytes
Total Bitrate:          27.87 Mbps

VIDEO:

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MPEG-4 AVC Video        21995 kbps          1080p / 23.976 fps / 16:9 / High Profile 4.1

AUDIO:

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DTS Audio                       French          768 kbps        5.1 / 48 kHz / 768 kbps / 24-bit

SUBTITLES:

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Presentation Graphics           French          28.681 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           French          0.022 kbps                      
Presentation Graphics           Spanish         27.193 kbps                     

FILES:

Name            Time In         Length          Size            Total Bitrate   
----            -------         ------          ----            -------------   
00010.M2TS      0:00:00.000     3:16:44.501     41,117,190,144  27,865          

CHAPTERS:

Number          Time In         Length          Avg Video Rate  Max 1-Sec Rate  Max 1-Sec Time  Max 5-Sec Rate  Max 5-Sec Time  Max 10Sec Rate  Max 10Sec Time  Avg Frame Size  

Max Frame Size  Max Frame Time  
------          -------         ------          --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  

--------------  --------------  
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640,459 bytes   00:00:10.010    
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425,773 bytes   00:07:47.550    
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312,292 bytes   00:49:40.811    
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289,874 bytes   01:47:13.468    
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333,280 bytes   01:55:39.265    
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323,208 bytes   02:03:09.924    
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324,549 bytes   02:30:03.995    
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312,083 bytes   03:10:08.897    
16              3:10:08.897     0:06:35.603     23,563 kbps     32,879 kbps     03:11:16.590    31,762 kbps     03:11:16.214    31,316 kbps     03:11:12.377    122,859 bytes   

365,670 bytes   03:16:39.370    

STREAM DIAGNOSTICS:

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----            ---             ----            -----           --------                --------------          --------------          -------------   -----           
00010.M2TS      4113 (0x1011)   0x1B            AVC                                     11804.334               21,995                  32,454,859,587  176,550,152     
00010.M2TS      4352 (0x1100)   0x86            DTS-HD MA       eng (English)           11804.334               3,491                   5,151,442,896   29,831,535      
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QUICK SUMMARY:

Disc Title: SPARTACUS
Disc Size: 43,439,998,572 bytes
Protection: AACS
BD-Java: Yes
Playlist: 00000.MPLS
Size: 41,117,190,144 bytes
Length: 3:16:44
Total Bitrate: 27.87 Mbps
Video: MPEG-4 AVC Video / 21995 kbps / 1080p / 23.976 fps / 16:9 / High Profile 4.1
Audio: English / DTS-HD Master Audio / 5.1 / 48 kHz / 3491 kbps / 24-bit (DTS Core: 5.1 / 48 kHz / 1509 kbps / 24-bit)
Audio: French / DTS Audio / 5.1 / 48 kHz / 768 kbps / 24-bit
Subtitle: English / 30.923 kbps
Subtitle: French / 28.681 kbps
Subtitle: French / 0.022 kbps
Subtitle: Spanish / 27.193 kbps

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Is that the Criterion or Universal dvd?
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If studios didn't recall discs for DNR for Patton or Dark City, what makes you think they will for this
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Ditto.
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What the hell ?

Is this just what they believe the buyers want ? Is this what the buyers want ?

I'm really really concerned that we are in for a rough road as catalog comes out.

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WOAH. That may be the most appalling-looking set of captures I've ever seen. Maybe I'll pick up an HD-DVD copy...

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where is sky hd caps ?
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No wonder why Ustinov's character appears so smug in the last screencap - his Olympian-strength force field makes him invincible!

To paraphrase Chuck/Taylor: Damn them, damn them all to hell . . .
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No wonder why Ustinov's character appears so smug in the last screencap - his Olympian-strength force field makes him invincible!

It looks optical, to bad the rest of the issues isnt optical.
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Now i gotta read up on more film grain. What's in the HD DVD caps doesn't look like what i thought film grain to look like, and it looks to me like there's still fine grain in the BD caps.

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Now i gotta read up on more film grain. What's in the HD DVD caps doesn't look like what i thought film grain to look like, and it looks to me like there's still fine grain in the BD caps.

Videonoise in the HD DVD and added digital grain to the BD to mask DNR.
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What the hell ?

Is this just what they believe the buyers want ? Is this what the buyers want ?

I'm really really concerned that we are in for a rough road as catalog comes out.

It's disappointing, but as far as catalog as a whole, things are looking much better. Spartacus and its ilk are more and more becoming outliers and contained to only one or two studios, and even releases within those studios are good as often (if not moreso) as bad. Plus, at least some titles are getting re-releases to fix poor PQ.

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I am surprised that they somehow managed to make the Blu-Ray look considerably worse than the already bad HD-DVD when before I thought that this would not be possible.
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You know we often refer to overy DNRd actors/actresses as 'waxy', but that close-up of Kirk truly does look like a wax figure. Scary!!
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It's disappointing, but as far as catalog as a whole, things are looking much better. Spartacus and its ilk are more and more becoming outliers and contained to only one or two studios, and even releases within those studios are good as often (if not moreso) as bad. Plus, at least some titles are getting re-releases to fix poor PQ.

Spartacus, was just released Apollo 13 was reworked to it's further detrement recently, Lord of The Rings anyone ? You can't adequately substantiate that comment.

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Abysmal! With Apollo 13, I ended up picking up a cheap 3-year-old HD DVD rather than the 2010 blu-ray. That's dreadful. And here we are again. If a 2010 blu-ray of Spartacus was only equal to the old HD DVD, it would be disappointing. But to be WORSE?

Right now, I can only pray that catalogue titles I love are not up for release soon. Universal needs to get their act together soon.
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Is that halo running down the pillar an optical effect of the camera used or is the edge enhancement really that bad? It is present in all three caps.

Blu-Rays like this beg the question: why bother buying Blu-Ray at all?
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Wow! Look at those Edge Ehancements on Blu-Ray. How could they miss them?!
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