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Full BD-scan coming up - including bitrates.

As for now, the ultimate comparison smackdown.

Some shots are slightly in motion, so keep that in mind.

http://comparescreenshots.slicx.com/...8257/picture:0



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It's obviously from the same outdated master though -- could look better still if a new scan was done.
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It's obviously from the same outdated master though -- could look better still if a new scan was done.

Its reframed and the colour is not the same at all, its a new master.

I am so glad I didn't but the first disc
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It's obviously from the same outdated master though -- could look better still if a new scan was done.

I hate hyperbole, but if you can't spot the difference between these two versions...

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I don't know about you guys, but I prefer the 'head shot' on the previous page of the sapphire edition. That's about it. Everything else that I've seen looks better on the newer 10th anniversary edition. The color timing, on the other hand, needs to be slightly cooler; closer to what the DVD was. Flame all you want but on the shot where Maximus is wearing his helmet I felt it to be more 3D.

From a safe distance it might look like that. It's sharpened and a bit contrast enhanced. It does not hold up at all if you look at the (1080p) detail. The edges have unnatural black and white halos, fine detail is missing everywhere, it looks coarse and screams processed digital video. The new one is full of fine detail, no halos, no digital overprocessed look, quite film like.
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It's obviously from the same outdated master though -- could look better still if a new scan was done.

Not the same transfer at all!
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Well if nothing else its coming to the UK based on the disc ratings
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Full BD-scan coming up - including bitrates.

As for now, the ultimate comparison smackdown.

Some shots are slightly in motion, so keep that in mind.

http://comparescreenshots.slicx.com/...8241/picture:0

There is something wrong with the last scene.



Does it look that way in reality or it's some error while taking a screenshot ?
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There is something wrong with the last scene.



Does it look that way in reality or it's some error while taking a screenshot ?

It looks interlaced if you look at his hand.
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There is something wrong with the last scene.



Does it look that way in reality or it's some error while taking a screenshot ?

Fixed , it happened during uploading very strange.....

BDinfo:

Theatrical cut:


DISC INFO:

Disc Title: GLADIATOR_G51
Disc Size: 48.573.317.520 bytes
Protection: AACS
BD-Java: Yes
BDInfo: 0.5.3

PLAYLIST REPORT:

Name: 00002.MPLS
Length: 2:34:58 (h:m:s)
Size: 35.505.420.288 bytes
Total Bitrate: 30,55 Mbps

(*) Indicates included stream hidden by this playlist.

VIDEO:

Codec Bitrate Description
----- ------- -----------
MPEG-4 AVC Video 17661 kbps 1080p / 23,976 fps / 16:9 / High Profile 4.1

AUDIO:

Codec Language Bitrate Description
----- -------- ------- -----------
DTS-HD Master Audio English 4436 kbps 5.1 / 48 kHz / 4436 kbps / 24-bit (DTS Core: 5.1 / 48 kHz / 1509 kbps / 24-bit)
DTS Audio French 768 kbps 5.1 / 48 kHz / 768 kbps / 24-bit
DTS Audio German 768 kbps 5.1 / 48 kHz / 768 kbps / 24-bit
DTS Audio Italian 768 kbps 5.1 / 48 kHz / 768 kbps / 24-bit
DTS Audio Portuguese 768 kbps 5.1 / 48 kHz / 768 kbps / 24-bit
DTS Audio Spanish 768 kbps 5.1 / 48 kHz / 768 kbps / 24-bit
DTS Audio Spanish 768 kbps 5.1 / 48 kHz / 768 kbps / 24-bit
* Dolby Digital Audio English 192 kbps 2.0 / 48 kHz / 192 kbps / DN -4dB / Dolby Surround
Dolby Digital Audio English 192 kbps 2.0 / 48 kHz / 192 kbps / DN -4dB / Dolby Surround
* Dolby Digital Audio English 224 kbps 2.0 / 48 kHz / 224 kbps / DN -4dB

Extended Cut:

DISC INFO:

Disc Title: GLADIATOR_G51
Disc Size: 48.573.317.520 bytes
Protection: AACS
BD-Java: Yes
BDInfo: 0.5.3

PLAYLIST REPORT:

Name: 00000.MPLS
Length: 2:50:56 (h:m:s)
Size: 39.158.022.144 bytes
Total Bitrate: 30,54 Mbps

(*) Indicates included stream hidden by this playlist.

VIDEO:

Codec Bitrate Description
----- ------- -----------
MPEG-4 AVC Video 17685 kbps 1080p / 23,976 fps / 16:9 / High Profile 4.1

AUDIO:

Codec Language Bitrate Description
----- -------- ------- -----------
DTS-HD Master Audio English 4408 kbps 5.1 / 48 kHz / 4408 kbps / 24-bit (DTS Core: 5.1 / 48 kHz / 1509 kbps / 24-bit)
DTS Audio French 768 kbps 5.1 / 48 kHz / 768 kbps / 24-bit
DTS Audio German 768 kbps 5.1 / 48 kHz / 768 kbps / 24-bit
DTS Audio Italian 768 kbps 5.1 / 48 kHz / 768 kbps / 24-bit
DTS Audio Portuguese 768 kbps 5.1 / 48 kHz / 768 kbps / 24-bit
DTS Audio Spanish 768 kbps 5.1 / 48 kHz / 768 kbps / 24-bit
DTS Audio Spanish 768 kbps 5.1 / 48 kHz / 768 kbps / 24-bit
Dolby Digital Audio English 192 kbps 2.0 / 48 kHz / 192 kbps / DN -4dB / Dolby Surround
* Dolby Digital Audio English 192 kbps 2.0 / 48 kHz / 192 kbps / DN -4dB / Dolby Surround
* Dolby Digital Audio English 224 kbps 2.0 / 48 kHz / 224 kbps / DN -4dB
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Does the soundtrack still have the ES flag?
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Compression looks surprisingly competent for such a low bitrate. Warner Brothers could learn a lot from these guys.
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this is great!

and lol to all reviewers who said the 1st release was ok..... shame on them
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BDinfo:

Thanks, bitrates are bit-identical to the original release: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showp...&postcount=664

They probably used the same disc project files and just swapped out the video tracks

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Compression looks surprisingly competent for such a low bitrate. Warner Brothers could learn a lot from these guys.

Yep. Paramount release should be higher though because of less dubs.
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Yep. Paramount release should be higher though because of less dubs.

Assuming that there is an American release. Even if there is, by then those who really wanted this would have bought the Dutch one.
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Assuming that there is an American release. Even if there is, by then those who really wanted this would have bought the Dutch one.


I question the likelihood of this ending up in the U.S.

Universal and Paramount are different studios. There's a lot of talk here about this coming out in the U.S. but are there any cases of other titles in Europe on Universal sharing their transfers with Paramount in the U.S.? I know it is Paramount, but the Universal/Studio Canal T2 transfer didn't end up on Lionsgate's T2 'remastered' Skynet Edition.
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It's obviously from the same outdated master though -- could look better still if a new scan was done.

Yes, of coarse. I see what you see as well... NOT!!
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I question the likelihood of this ending up in the U.S.

It all about who payed for the new transfer. If Paramount was in on it, im sure there will be a US release, but if this was all payed by universal, who knows?
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I wonder if the reviewers who gave the Sapphire release top grades will invent a new scale now?
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So Paramount, about the Star Trek movies.....
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So Paramount, about the Star Trek movies.....

ha! EXACTLY!
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I have to correct one of my earlier shots of Oliver Reed. There is much discussion surrounding it, and rightfully so. It was taken in motion and did not accurately depict the blu-ray, nor the shot-specific comparison.

Here is the more accurate version: (as a gift to some posters at cinefacts.de )




Also here:

http://comparescreenshots.slicx.com/...8319/picture:1

BTW, is there any way I can accurately check the ES on the soundtrack?
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ah that's much better.
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Just goes to show that it's imperative to capture the EXACT same frame. I think something similar may have happened here. You can tell from the different position of his thumb on the right that it's not the same frame either, and one particular hair to OUR left of his head suggests there's a bit more motion in the new version screengrab.
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BTW, is there any way I can accurately check the ES on the soundtrack?

No, the BDInfo version you are using would be able to detect it.
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It's obviously from the same outdated master though -- could look better still if a new scan was done.

If the enormous detail improvement isn't a dead giveaway that it's a new transfer, then the slight framing difference surely is. New transfer or not, I have no idea how you think there's more to improve upon. Every bit of detail is on display here.

Dillon: My men were in that chopper when it got hit! Hopper's orders were to go in and remove grain and the detail just disappeared.
Dutch: It didn't disappear. It was scrubbed alive!
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every bluray deserves a transfer same like this..
me wonders universal fired the guys who did first one
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Disregard what I wrote, hangovers are bad for writing about anything on any forum
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Hi mate,

Many thanks for the caps, really appreciate it.

Is there any way you can do some grabs of the extended scenes?

Cheers,

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