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Would I be right in saying that it was originally shot at 24fps and the 24->30fps (60i) conversion was done as part of the video transfer prior to editing?

So these should be 1080p24 since the (old) video stage no longer exists?

Correct. It will be just like TOS.
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Great picture of the Enterprise-D there. Sold!!

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Yes, the trailer clearly says 24fps, AWESOME, but myself I want the 16/9 version. This is the future, not the past.
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I want the 16/9 version. This is the future, not the past.

Then why are you looking for an old show, in the first place?

I don't feel special...
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Then why are you looking for an old show, in the first place?

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These people don't take into account the ITU pixel aspect, which means in effect that it's the reverse, ie in ENT the TNG reused shots are unalterated, save shaving off a bit top and bottom, while all the original TNG DVDs shows the series squeezed, unless you display the episodes on an old CRT TV.

There are tons of TV series out on DVD that when displayed on a brand new HDTV, actually presents squeezed images (not the proper display). This can only be adjusted by ripping the episodes with handbrake, or similar software, and re-encoding them for proper display of the pixel ratio.

Pretty much every HDTV has a 4:3 viewing mode that will properly pillarbox the picture. Perhaps rather than ripping and re-encoding all of your DVDs, you should just hit the "Aspect Ratio" button on your TV's remote.

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I wonder how they are going to handle cutting between the later model shots done at Image G, which were done for 30fps playback, and the 24fps principle photography?
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I imagine all effects shots will have to be remade.

The proper setting for sharpness is always0.
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This has probably been mentioned before, but I wonder if, for all the work it will take, they might re-release the entire series on HD-TV, whether before/during/after the BD packaging.
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I'm sure they'll be available on Netflix and SyFy around the same time.
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Then why are you looking for an old show, in the first place?

For the same reason I'm into Blu-ray, rather than VHS.

Concerning ITU ratio, no flat panel can correct. You have to reencode in Handbrake to specifications, or use an old CRT TV.
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For the same reason I'm into Blu-ray, rather than VHS.

You're into old shows for the same reason you're into new formats?

I don't know how to interpret your thinking, but I can tell you, if you're looking for 16:9 because "this is the future, not the past", Terra Nova is certainly 16:9.

Star Trek: TNG, meanwhile, is 4:3 because it's most definitely "the past".

I don't feel special...
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Concerning ITU ratio, no flat panel can correct. You have to reencode in Handbrake to specifications, or use an old CRT TV.

Do you mean the fact that 704x576 should really be 703.2x576 and 704x480 should be 706.2x480? If so, I can't imagine anyone would notice this difference and it certainly isn't the 5.8% claimed by the TNG vs ENT comparison shots. I'd also bet that most CRTs' aspect ratios aren't exact either.
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Do you mean the fact that 704x576 should really be 703.2x576 and 704x480 should be 706.2x480? If so, I can't imagine anyone would notice this difference and it certainly isn't the 5.8% claimed by the TNG vs ENT comparison shots. I'd also bet that most CRTs' aspect ratios aren't exact either.

I really have no idea what he's talking about. Every HDTV has a pillarbox setting for watching 4:3 content in the correct aspect ratio.

Perhaps he's upconverting the show at the DVD player, and his TV locks out aspect ratio controls when it receives an HD signal? Best I can figure. If so, turn off upconversion and the TV will be able to adjust the aspect ratio again.

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In ENT the TNG reused shots are unalterated, save shaving off a bit top and bottom, while all the original TNG DVDs shows the series squeezed, unless you display the episodes on an old CRT TV.

I thought this might be the case too at one point, but if you take a careful look at the TNG footage used in ENT, you'll notice that in the background the two small windows on the doors to Ten Forward -- the ones with the Starfleet emblem etched on them -- look elliptical or oval shaped. But those windows are supposed to be perfectly circular... so the footage has clearly been stretched horizontally.

On the TNG DVDs, they look correct.

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I'm talking Nominal analogue blanking - could also varies from shot to shot, with more black bars on the side (I can point out a severe example in the opening of Wiseguy episode 2 for example). For TNG, we can't of course rule out the editor might have used a few tricks on a couple of shots according to the framing he wanted to achieve. Just saying you can't use this as a common rule for 4/3 to 16/9 conversion. (The widescreen Columbo for example do not look stretched).
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I've only ever seen TOS. Looking forward to watching TNG in even better quality than when they aired!
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Yep. That's because, on the pilot only, ILM used 35mm 8-perf VistaVision cameras for the VFX shots. 8-perf is just like the size of an exposure in 35mm still photography and has an aspect ratio of 1.47:1. It's roughly double the size of standard 4-perf motion picture film because the negative is run through the camera gate horizontally -- again, just like a 35mm still camera. This is why a few of these "Encounter at Farpoint" shots were deemed usable in Star Trek Generations.


Not the "shots". They used the vista vfx plates to create new shots for generations. ( and I have to say that the VFX work done on the TNG films is about the worst work ILM have done). DD did a much better job on nemesis; unfortunately the film was bleurgh.

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The CGI in Nemesis was indeed pretty awesome.
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The CGI in Nemesis was indeed pretty awesome.

Plus Nemesis had FAR better space battles than any of the other Treks - Star Trek (2009) was terrible in that regard IMO. I hope the sequel is better.
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- Star Trek (2009) was terrible in that regard IMO. I hope the sequel is better.

Ah but "Star Trek" was genuinely cool. I never thought I'd see a star trek film that had style and wit and was cool to the extent that ST was. Great surprise.

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I imagine all effects shots will have to be remade.

Yes take that as a given. They could interpolate them back to 24p but the things are so mushy and simplistic in the first place that it would be much better to just redo them.

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Not the "shots". They used the vista vfx plates to create new shots for generations.

Sure. But that's kind of pedantic, don't you think? It's not like they combined the separate motion control passes with anything other than similar-looking starfields (possibly even the same ones) and then cropped them to 2.39:1. I think maybe the Captain's log shot perhaps had Q's barrier in it. For all intents and purposes, they're essentially the same "shots." Amusingly enough, I had "plates" in there at one point in the last sentence before I hit submit. I think I changed it for consistency.

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( and I have to say that the VFX work done on the TNG films is about the worst work ILM have done) DD did a much better job on nemesis; unfortunately the film was bleurgh.

I think for the most part they did great... especially with the notoriously miniscule budgets they had to work with. They're certainly not as bad as some of the crap in Star Wars Trilogy - Special Edition, The Mummy Returns, E.T. 20th Anniversary, Hulk, THX 1138 Rerelease or Van Helsing.
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Plus Nemesis had FAR better space battles than any of the other Treks

Not really. In Nemesis they just tried to rip off every previous 'good' Trek film and it failed miserably.
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Not really. In Nemesis they just tried to rip off every previous 'good' Trek film and it failed miserably.

I like Nemesis
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Sure. But that's kind of pedantic, don't you think? It's not like they combined the separate motion control passes with anything other than similar-looking starfields (possibly even the same ones) and then cropped them to 2.39:1. I think maybe the Captain's log shot perhaps had Q's barrier in it. For all intents and purposes, they're essentially the same "shots." Amusingly enough, I had "plates" in there at one point in the last sentence before I hit submit. I think I changed it for consistency.

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I think for the most part they did great... especially with the notoriously miniscule budgets they had to work with. They're certainly not as bad as some of the crap in Star Wars Trilogy - Special Edition, The Mummy Returns, E.T. 20th Anniversary, Hulk, THX 1138 Rerelease or Van Helsing.

And your point would be what ? Just because there are some other films out there that you think have worse VFX you are using that to refute that the vfx in Nemesis handled by DD are better than the previous films?

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And your point would be what ? Just because there are some other films out there that you think have worse VFX you are using that to refute that the vfx in Nemesis handled by DD are better than the previous films?

I think he's just refuting your statement that: "the VFX work done on the TNG films is about the worst work ILM have done."

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Not really. In Nemesis they just tried to rip off every previous 'good' Trek film and it failed miserably.

I did not say Nemesis was a better FILM than the others, I said it is the best in terms of space battles. ie. the long 20-30 minute fight at the end.

What other Trek movie has anything remotely as good? For example the First Contact fight at the beginning is like 3 minutes long....

What I disliked about Star Trek (2009) was this. Ok I get the fact that most of the movie revolves around introducing characters and building storyline etc, but even towards the end when we should be getting into some meaty space action, it falls short. Even the phasers that ILM or whoever decided this 'new' Enterprise should have look poor.

The sequel will have no excuse not to be considerably better in this regard.
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I did not say Nemesis was a better FILM than the others, I said it is the best in terms of space battles. ie. the long 20-30 minute fight at the end.

What other Trek movie has anything remotely as good? For example the First Contact fight at the beginning is like 3 minutes long....

What I disliked about Star Trek (2009) was this. Ok I get the fact that most of the movie revolves around introducing characters and building storyline etc, but even towards the end when we should be getting into some meaty space action, it falls short. Even the phasers that ILM or whoever decided this 'new' Enterprise should have look poor.

The sequel will have no excuse not to be considerably better in this regard.

Hm, personally, I found the 3 minute battle scene in First Contact (especially the 20-second final barrage) to be more exciting than anything in Nemesis. To each his own...

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What I disliked about Star Trek (2009) was this. Ok I get the fact that most of the movie revolves around introducing characters and building storyline etc, but even towards the end when we should be getting into some meaty space action, it falls short. Even the phasers that ILM or whoever decided this 'new' Enterprise should have look poor.

Its not really the effects fault, no matter what star trek movie you prefer. Its how the effect scene is constructed. If your into the story enough once the effect take place, you will not even notice that you actually watching an effect.

What that scene you mention fall short for me is actually the music. It doesnt evoke the emotions the scene needs. Compared to the music cues in "Ive got your gun" scene that fits almost perfect, or the opening scene for that matter.
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