Originally Posted by PeterTHX
Some of us aren't asking for all-new effects.
I'm asking stock shots and over-used models be replaced. The time and effort spent by the FX artists are still there, just not repeated dozens upon of times.
FX should be treated like live action: if they used the same exact shot of Picard entering and leaving the bridge for those times he does you'd think it was equally stupid. At least when they used the same actor for multiple roles they changed his makeup & costume! Not the Excelsior...
Very true, but the same thing that applies to the original airing, is also being applied to the restoration. Recreating all new, or even just retooling old FX stock shots is very cost prohibitive. We've already seen it in the sample, with a new digital matte painting of the Enterprise being used both in SOTF (with a bird of prey) and in Farpoint (traveling in space before saucer separation). Thats saving money and time for elsewhere, like having to redo Q's light ship and effects. Or new photons and explosions. Or a better glow around the jellyfish, and fixing the enterprises energy beam, and making it look pretty damn good than a hand drawn highlighter.
They could have gone with all new 3d rendered CGI, but that ups costs. Start doing that to every episode, and suddenly you need to cut down on other detail to save money, or completely switch to CGI because it's cheaper. If the latter, say good buy to resorting the old footage (even as I'd argue it be too cost prohibitive to even try all CGI).
I think I read somewhere that there were over 2000 FX shots in Farpoint alone. Not all huge, and not all needing comprehensive restoration, but it's still a lot of work. Now, add retooling stock shots like when the enterprise is being chased. It's just not realistic to expect, and that's not even getting into the argument for outright changing original works of cinema.
I just think it's wasted time and money, especially when people are already bitching about the costs of the new sets. New CGI would be cool as an option
, even if just minimal for certain stock shots, but it's just not feasible in terms of the costs and budget of the project... if it were to be done right. And I don't trust them to do it right, after seeing what happened with the new CGI in TOS-R. They said they were trying to emulate what TOS did in a studio, but that was just PR
cover for some very unprofessional and inadequate CGI.
Some on TrekBBS are arguing thats not the case, but looking at what fans have done vs what CBS did, it's pretty apparent who wins that argument. The new CBS CGI was cost-efficient dreck coated in marketing. It was reminiscent of FMV from the playstation 1 days, and didn't hold a candle to the model work they used originally.