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I'm guessing you haven't bought any films on Blu-ray you already have on DVD.

Not as many as you'd think, and none of Star Trek. And a number of those were through trade-in upgrade programs. We're talking a single season of TV here. For all of TNG, that's over $800. Still worth it? And that's just TNG.. what if they decide to do this to all the others as well? That's another eighteen seasons, over $2,000. Still worth it?

I'm not arguing that the set isn't worth upgrading to, but I'll be damned if I'm paying that much a second time. They bent me over with all those DVD sets, they're not doing it again.

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Universal made a mistake on Back to the Future II and III DVDs when they were first released in 2002. They re-mastered the video and pressed new discs and mailed replacements to anyone who asked.

Sure... studios will replace discs that had mistakes... but TNG isn't being released with a mistake. They have a known issue (2 seconds of missing footage) and decided to go forward with it. There's no logical reason for them to go forward AND then replace discs if they find the footage later. Don't hold your breath on that one.

IF they even thought that might happen, it would be far cheaper to wait. When they correct mistakes, like you noted, they didn't have a chance to avoid pressing incorrect discs because the mistake happened and nobody knew in time to stop production.

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Not as many as you'd think, and none of Star Trek. And a number of those were through trade-in upgrade programs. We're talking a single season of TV here. For all of TNG, that's over $800. Still worth it? And that's just TNG.. what if they decide to do this to all the others as well? That's another eighteen seasons, over $2,000. Still worth it?

As a huge TREK fan, I say yes. As many times as I've played those DVDs I got a decent return on investment.

For the Blu-ray, even at $100 it's still less than the DVDs just on inflation alone. Picture quality isn't just improved by the jump to 1080p, but a whole new assembly and transfer of the original elements. Lossless audio, and new extras. Win-win here.

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After thinking about it for a while 2 seconds on one episode is not bad considering all the factors involved like the fact that it is 25 years old and that there are so many reels of film to get through. Two seconds is so short amount of time that no one is really going to notice. Don't get me wrong I would prefer it if every second of every episodes filmed elements were found but two seconds I can live with. And while they may not exchange the disks when or if the missing footage is located it is possible that given the amount of time between now and when the HD version of the show goes into HD syndication or Netflix in HD that the missing footage be added to that.

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Finally showed up on Amazon.com for pre-order at a head-scratching $90.99 with a list price of $129.99.

Well, I already submitted DVD Empire's and Walmart's lower prices to them. I suppose if enough of us do it, it'll come down.

Here are their URL's, the prices and the shipping costs:

DVD Empire
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Walmart
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DVD Planet
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Buy.com
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I think amazons list price is 10 bucks higher then everyone else.

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Amazon's traditionally pretty good about this sort of thing, and we're still two months out...no doubt they'll drop their price to the same level as everybody else at some point before release.

And now I'm morbidly curious about how that scene in Conspiracy will look...

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I'm surprised no one tracked it down yet like they did with SOTF. At 2 seconds it's got to be a quick action cut, or quick gfx setup shot.

The SOTF scene in the disc was barely noticeable, and a change in clarity on a 2 second action shot is going to be even less worry some.
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I'm wondering how you lose 2 seconds of something. It's not like there are reels of film where only 2 seconds were actually used. Losing 10 minutes of something would make a lot more sense.

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I'm surprised no one tracked it down yet like they did with SOTF. At 2 seconds it's got to be a quick action cut, or quick gfx setup shot.

That's my hunch as well. And this is totally a guess, but this shot here is just over 48 frames long:

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I'm wondering how you lose 2 seconds of something. It's not like there are reels of film where only 2 seconds were actually used. Losing 10 minutes of something would make a lot more sense.

They probably lost an entire shot/setup. The final edited shot would have been 2 seconds but there would have been a lot more footage in that reel.

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They probably lost an entire shot/setup. The final edited shot would have been 2 seconds but there would have been a lot more footage in that reel.

That's what I was thinking... It might have been 2 seconds of final footage after editing, but it could have been a half hour of actual footage that they shot over the course of several hours of resetting and shooting over and over again until they got what they wanted to piece together the 2 seconds they wanted in that shot.

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I'm wondering how you lose 2 seconds of something. It's not like there are reels of film where only 2 seconds were actually used. Losing 10 minutes of something would make a lot more sense.

Editing?

They didn't have a master reel in any sense as far as I know, but only the original cut negatives and dailies.

Lost is probably not the right word, misplaced seems to be the right one. SOTF the idea was it was probably misfiled when years later someone went looking for stock footage to use in ENT (or for whatever reason X). Same could have happened here.
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I am surprised no one has posted this sooner but two episodes of the remastered season one of the next generation will be shown in theaters. More information on that can be found here.

Anyone thinking of going? The episodes are Where No One Has Gone Before and Datalore which I have heard are some of the better episodes from season one.

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I am surprised no one has posted this sooner but two episodes of the remastered season one of the next generation will be shown in theaters. More information on that can be found here.
Anyone thinking of going? The episodes are Where No One Has Gone Before and Datalore which I have heard are some of the better episodes from season one.

Unfortunately I've heard they'll be projected using that system they use to show ads and the paid previews and are not actually D-Cinema projection.

If they were full blown 2K cinema presentations I'd be interested.

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List of participating theaters. I'm going! Probably the AMC Arbor Lakes Megastar 16 in Maple Grove, MN.

http://www.fathomevents.com/upcoming/alllocations.aspx?eventid=1096
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List of participating theaters. I'm going! Probably the AMC Arbor Lakes Megastar 16 in Maple Grove, MN.
http://www.fathomevents.com/upcoming/alllocations.aspx?eventid=1096

Awesome! I'll most likely try to attend the event as well in my area!

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Unfortunately I've heard they'll be projected using that system they use to show ads and the paid previews and are not actually D-Cinema projection.
If they were full blown 2K cinema presentations I'd be interested.

Dang, I really hope you're wrong (or that this applies to a small minority of theaters), most D-Cinema projectors are perfectly capable of screening HD. Otherwise I might as well watch it at home...
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Dang, I really hope you're wrong (or that this applies to a small minority of theaters), most D-Cinema projectors are perfectly capable of screening HD. Otherwise I might as well watch it at home...

According to NCM Fathom's own literature, their events are shown on advertising projectors (see illustration on page 2):

http://www.ncm.com/content/pdf/National_CineMedia_Digital_Content_Network_DCN_Fact_Sheet.pdf
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According to NCM Fathom's own literature, their events are shown on advertising projectors (see illustration on page 2):
http://www.ncm.com/content/pdf/National_CineMedia_Digital_Content_Network_DCN_Fact_Sheet.pdf

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I have never been to a Fathom event, so this is just a theory but...all the "FirstLook" stuff that I've seen is always played with the lights in the theater up. Is it possible that those projectors could still look decent with the lights set at the correct movie levels?

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I have never been to a Fathom event, so this is just a theory but...all the "FirstLook" stuff that I've seen is always played with the lights in the theater up. Is it possible that those projectors could still look decent with the lights set at the correct movie levels?

No, not really. That's why they don't use them for the feature.

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According to NCM Fathom's own literature, their events are shown on advertising projectors (see illustration on page 2):
http://www.ncm.com/content/pdf/National_CineMedia_Digital_Content_Network_DCN_Fact_Sheet.pdf

It also says that "Virtually all of the screens in the network are capable of presenting pre-recorded Standard and High Definition content " I think I am going to see it anyways because I really want to see the exclusive look at the restoration of season one and interviews with the cast.

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It also says that "Virtually all of the screens in the network are capable of presenting pre-recorded Standard and High Definition content " I think I am going to see it anyways because I really want to see the exclusive look at the restoration of season one and interviews with the cast.

As I'm sure you're aware, "capable of presenting" doesn't ensure the projector will be full HD. Advertising projectors can vary in resolution from XGA (1024 x 768) to WUXGA (1920 x 1200). There's no harm in calling your theater and finding out what they have. Just let them know why you're interested. What you want to hear from them is that they have a 1920 x 1080 advertising projector in the auditorium the Fathom event is going to be in. That'll be the best this can look given the circumstances.

http://www.christiedigital.com/en-us/business/products/projectors/Pages/default.aspx

Also, most of that exclusive content will be on the blu-ray the following day. It's only the preview of season two that will be exclusive to the Fathom event -- a look at "The Measure of a Man." That could be a minute or two for all we know. The event is billed as being 2 hours, 30 minutes. The two episodes take up 90 minutes and we know the Blu-ray will have a new 90 minute doc on the making of season one and another doc about the restoration, which is an unknown length.
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I will be seeing it at a reasonably new theater in a hotel so I am not concerned too much about the equipment. As for the exclusive content being on the Blu-ray the next day, yes great but I do not have 80 bucks to spend on a season of star trek (I am in college). I want to see it in theaters and do what I can to support this effort of paramount because they are after all doing it the right way and I am itching to see how other episodes look then just the ones on the sampler.

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I will be seeing it at a reasonably new theater in a hotel so I am not concerned too much about the equipment. As for the exclusive content being on the Blu-ray the next day, yes great but I do not have 80 bucks to spend on a season of star trek (I am in college). I want to see it in theaters and do what I can to support this effort of paramount because they are after all doing it the right way and I am itching to see how other episodes look then just the ones on the sampler.

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