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The original Trek films could certainly be restored/remastered from the original elements but the TNG films are as good as they are going to get without re-building from the ground-up, though Generations and First Contact could be polished up a little since they used physical model-work.
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The original Trek films could certainly be restored/remastered from the original elements but the TNG films are as good as they are going to get without re-building from the ground-up, though Generations and First Contact could be polished up a little since they used physical model-work.

There was excessive DNR applied to First Contact (maybe Generations too, I don't own that one), so that's one easy correction they could make. The model work in the films is outstanding, if anything, it's the CG that could be improved.

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Being films, shouldn't there already be prints in far better condition than the ones they rehashed for the Blu-rays? I'd have thought a decent 4k scan and an unmolested-by-DNR Blu-ray would be all it takes to bring the Trek flicks up to par...
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There was excessive DNR applied to First Contact (maybe Generations too, I don't own that one), so that's one easy correction they could make. The model work in the films is outstanding, if anything, it's the CG that could be improved.

There was a misconception round here that the TNG movies were fine and looked amazing, they all have dnr to varying degrees.
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There was excessive DNR applied to First Contact (maybe Generations too, I don't own that one), so that's one easy correction they could make. The model work in the films is outstanding, if anything, it's the CG that could be improved.

My point was that those two films could be revived like TNG season 1. It would be great if they did re-do both of those in such a manner AND get ILM to re-do their CG shots for both films, but the most we can hope for is a simple visual clean-up to make both films look better. Insurrection had a pretty nasty transfer that made it look funky and the encoding only made it worse but I don't know if we'd ever get that one cleaned-up.
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Sorry, I didn't mean to reopen old wounds. I'd settle for just proper transfers of the films, bad CG and all.
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Bad CGI?????
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Yeah, not sure where the bad CGI was. As far as I know it was up to movie standards, and looked fine.

Now if you were talking about TOS:Remastered, yeah. The CGI in that was horribly rushed, very inadequate/poor, and then pawned off as "we made it look like the "original". Matt Jefferies is turning in his grave at that. While the model work was much more simple, it was vastly more detailed then the crap TOS:R pulled. Too bad the FX film elements were so damaged, they couldn't be re-purposed ala TNG.
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...Honestly, I'd pay just to get the existing transfers without the DNR. It wouldn't be perfect, but it'd be a hell of a lot more watchable.
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My point was that those two films could be revived like TNG season 1. It would be great if they did re-do both of those in such a manner AND get ILM to re-do their CG shots for both films, but the most we can hope for is a simple visual clean-up to make both films look better. Insurrection had a pretty nasty transfer that made it look funky and the encoding only made it worse but I don't know if we'd ever get that one cleaned-up.
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Sorry, I didn't mean to reopen old wounds. I'd settle for just proper transfers of the films, bad CG and all.
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Yeah, not sure where the bad CGI was. As far as I know it was up to movie standards, and looked fine.

Sorry for not being more clear. Lex made reference to remaking CG for those two films in the same manner as current TNG remaster to which I stated that I would settle for just proper remasters (meaning, modern scans, no filtering) without rebuilding CG. I personally think that those two films AND the other eight all of some CG problems that could be improved (but I don't require them to be changed). I just want excellent transfers and encodes.

Again, sorry for stirring the pot!
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I don't think well ever get a TMP DC, which did have new CGI to round out the unfinished FX. They apparently only mastered it at SD resolution to cut costs.

Typical Paramount.
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...Honestly, I'd pay just to get the existing transfers without the DNR. It wouldn't be perfect, but it'd be a hell of a lot more watchable.

This this this this this this. The clips of the movies on the 'Captain's Table' Blu-rays make me do a sad face, because they prove that unmolested masters do exist. Come on Paramount, I gots money here that I WANT to give to you. Make it so.

As for TNG S2, I've just finished off the first disc and I'm pleasantly surprised. The DNR is there on effects shots, oh yes, but in a weird way I'm fine with it, because all the years of watching optical effects lose a generation of quality has conditioned my brain for such things. (Yes, I know that they're digital composites, I'm just making a comparison.)

But there are a couple of bits which are absolutely tragic in terms of DNR, funnily enough they're both panned-and-scanned anamorphic shots (one is Picard on the bridge walking up to the viewscreen, the other is the 'child' sprite thingy floating out of Troi's hands and going through the bulkhead).

We know how variable the grain is on this show, and given that the P&S process basically zooms in on a portion of the frame, it's possible that those sequences were uber-grainy which is what made HTV smack them even harder with the DNR stick.
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I got season 1 and 2 for Christmas. I have really been enjoying this so far. I gotten to The Big Goodbye as of last night, its like watching the show for the first time.
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Well, no because a signal can be 24-bit and 192kHz (resolution and sampling rate) and still lossy.

Is there a particular Blu-ray you are referring to, or are you just speaking hypothetically?
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TNG Season 3 - April.
"Best of Both Worlds" Special Edition (???) - April
Star Trek Enterprise Season 1 - March 26 (same MSRP as TNG)

So what is the BOBW SE? Just the two episodes in one seamless version? (<-- my guess) New scenes? A more cinematic version with more changes in post? BOBW is one that I wish they could scope and make it look more like a movie with color grading or something. We'd still have the as-aired episodes in the collection, but it would be cool to have a truly cinematic version.

http://trekmovie.com/2013/01/07/star-trek-enterprise-coming-to-blu-ray-in-march-tng-s3-best-of-both-worlds-special-edition-in-april/
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It's both episodes edited together as a single feature, which is how both episodes have been released in the past on special DVD and VHS releases along with other two-part TNG episodes combined in the same way.
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I wonder... does that mean that CBS-D are handling both parts of BOBW? Sounds much more plausible if they're releasing the double feature - and besides which, you'd think that they'd give both parts of a cliffhanger to the same studio for the sake of consistency throughout.
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Yes, they most likely are handling both since both episodes are technically - despite the air dates - 3rd season episodes and not part of the 4th season filming.
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Yes, they most likely are handling both since both episodes are technically - despite the air dates - 3rd season episodes and not part of the 4th season filming.

Really? I could swear I remember hearing at the time that they felt they had painted themselves into a corner with Part 1 and had no idea how to resolve it until they got to S4.
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The Best of Both Worlds, Part II was definitely part of Season 4, and wasn't even written until two months after the first part aired.

CBS-D will be doing the FX for both episodes. I remember reading that the same FX house will handle the two-part episodes spanning seasons, to maintain consistency. So, whoever replaces HTV Illuminate on Season 4 will do both parts of Redemption, CBS-D will do Time's Arrow, etc.

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The Blu Rays of the Star Trek films are all very poor.
Only Wrath of Khan and Nemesis looked decent.

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You know what bugs me the most about Nemesis?...like I really wanted to see that big lump of Riker all on top of Troy in a "love scene" (that inexplicably turns into a telepathic rape scene). What was that all about?! That irks me to this day. Seems like a small point, but that forever sticks in my mind about that movie. Otherwise, it's a cool star trek movie with nasty Romulans in it (what more could I ask for).

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Nemesis would have been awesome if it had been done by different hands. So much of that movie doesn't feel right and I think the blame is on the director and the script-writer, neither of which were associated with Trek before the film.
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Nemesis would have been awesome if it had been done by different hands. So much of that movie doesn't feel right and I think the blame is on the director and the script-writer, neither of which were associated with Trek before the film.

Agreed... although I suspect it may not have helped Mr. Hanky's complaint. The whole "telepathic rape" thing was done a few times on the show too. Just as annoying there.
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Stuart Baird is an excellent editor, but I'm less convinced by him as director... but he's done quite little there, admittedly. I think Nemesis was just a very poor storyline - random setups for the sake of action sequences, too much focus on Picard and Data at the expense of supporting characters, a contrived B-plot involving Data's long lost extra sibling (would have been so much more fun to bring Lore back... or any of the TV show villains, for that matter).

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Does anyone have any idea when these remasters HD versions will be streaming on Netflix or Amazon?
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Does anyone have any idea when these remasters HD versions will be streaming on Netflix or Amazon?

I'd suspect they'll have to get an agreement penned with CBS before that can occur. However, even the already over-compressed Blu-ray discs (too many episodes crammed per disc) will look a lot better than the crappy, single-digit "1080p" bitstreams afforded us on Netflix and Amazon, etc.

Are you just looking for an idea of the PQ and visual effects upgrades before making a purchase... or are you wanting to watch this show streamed only?

Listen up, studios! Just say "NO" to DNR and EE!!
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Does anyone have any idea when these remasters HD versions will be streaming on Netflix or Amazon?

That probably won't happen until some time after the whole series is released.
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That probably won't happen until some time after the whole series is released.

I doubt CBS would want to wait that long... The re-working of TOS actually began airing in syndication before the first season was released on Blu-ray if memory serves me correctly. I think they jumped around in TOS and did the "best" episodes first to enhance selling to syndication.

TNG they seem to be mostly restoring in order, or at least in season-order... but I bet they would love to go ahead and start syndicating say seasons 1-4 while they are working on seasons 5-7. It would give them another source of revenue to help fund things OR begin funding maybe DS9 or Voyager re-workings.

IF they are smart, they should be shopping these for syndication around the world already.

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