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post #2401 of 2449 Old 07-17-2013, 07:26 AM
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The packs are always substantially less than the individual seasons combined. I got my TOS set for $95 on Amazon and TTZ set for $130 on Amazon. $300 is a reasonable sale price for the TNG set when/if it comes out, but $200 would be more realistic after a year or during a Gold Box deal or something.
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The packs are always substantially less than the individual seasons combined. I got my TOS set for $95 on Amazon

Right, but the important question is *when* you got it for that price. It took three and a half years for the TOS set to drop below $100. When it first came out in Dec. '09, there was practically no savings compared to buying the three sets separately. These complete sets *eventually* become substantially less than the individual seasons combined, but you have to be prepared to wait years for that to happen. smile.gif
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The thing to keep in mind, though... You say "it took 3 years for TOS to drop below $100"... but it took more than 40 years for them to come out on Blu-ray! smile.gif So... waiting a few more years for a better price isn't a big deal.

Similarly... it took about 25 years for TNG to come out on Blu-ray... so choosing to wait a few more years for the right price isn't a big deal really.

Now, I'm buying them as they come out... but I can certainly see someone deciding to wait it out. I do that with some other TV shows that I like... wait for the inevitable price drop... and watch other stuff in the meantime.

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The thing to keep in mind, though... You say "it took 3 years for TOS to drop below $100"... but it took more than 40 years for them to come out on Blu-ray! smile.gif So... waiting a few more years for a better price isn't a big deal.

Similarly... it took about 25 years for TNG to come out on Blu-ray... so choosing to wait a few more years for the right price isn't a big deal really.

Now, I'm buying them as they come out... but I can certainly see someone deciding to wait it out. I do that with some other TV shows that I like... wait for the inevitable price drop... and watch other stuff in the meantime.


And I figure they"ll start showing TNG in HD on BBC America soon (or any channel that picks up the rights next).
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Yeah I have to think BBC America or SyFy will want to jump on the syndication of the HD remasters as soon as CBS/Paramount makes them available.

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The thing to keep in mind, though... You say "it took 3 years for TOS to drop below $100"... but it took more than 40 years for them to come out on Blu-ray! smile.gif So... waiting a few more years for a better price isn't a big deal.

Similarly... it took about 25 years for TNG to come out on Blu-ray... so choosing to wait a few more years for the right price isn't a big deal really.

Now, I'm buying them as they come out... but I can certainly see someone deciding to wait it out. I do that with some other TV shows that I like... wait for the inevitable price drop... and watch other stuff in the meantime.

I have no problem with people waiting. My only quibble is with the estimates of prices -- how much and when. Like I said, anything's possible. It could be as low as $300 right out of the gate as LexInVA suggested, even though I still think $400 is more likely (maybe $349.99 is a good middle-ground estimate -- $50 a season). Remember that we're talking about a blu-ray set which will have 41 discs and 8,085 minutes of content. I don't think there's anything out there on blu-ray that comes even close to that. Friends and LOST are the only ones that have over 5,000 minutes. The LOST set (now OOP) has 36 discs and 5,074 minutes of content. When that came out it was about $200, but that series had just gone off the air and already had 1080p/24 masters and didn't require millions of dollars to get it ready for blu-ray.

Also, another potential problem related to waiting and buying a complete series set is that you have 30 days (15 at some retailers) to watch 41 discs and make sure there are no playback issues with any of the episodes. biggrin.gif
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Did anybody have a problem with Season 4 disc 1? Best of Both Worlds Part 2 was ok but the next 3 episodes all had spots where the time would continue but no sound or motion and then the time would jump ahead 1 minute or 2 and then the episode would continue normally. Each episode had this happen in a different spot. I haven't gotten to the last episode yet.
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Did anybody have a problem with Season 4 disc 1? Best of Both Worlds Part 2 was ok but the next 3 episodes all had spots where the time would continue but no sound or motion and then the time would jump ahead 1 minute or 2 and then the episode would continue normally. Each episode had this happen in a different spot. I haven't gotten to the last episode yet.

No, I didn't have any problems w/ Disc 1.
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No, I didn't have any problems w/ Disc 1.

Thanks for the reply. I'll see if I can contact someone at CBS and get a replacement disc.
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It all stems from the TNG Blu-ray sampler sent out last year. Specifically, "Encounter at Farpoint" is the only episode that we can compare. The sampler had four episodes on a BD50 with minimal extras (vs. five episodes + extras on the S1 discs, the exception being the last disc). The result was a significatly higher bit rate than the S1 release which shows some signs of compression not found on the sampler. One more disc in the S1 set could have made a difference and it's regrettable that CBS didn't spring for that extra disc. It's not terrible or the end of the world, but it is noticeable.

(The sampler also had the original stereo mix losslless) mad.gif

I came and googled looking for someone to confirm what I thought I had noticed... that the sampler pack looked stunning and that the season 1 disc version looked soft and compressed by comparison... good to see I wasn't seeing things. Too bad they couldn't have used an extra disc or two per season... I'd pay an extra 5 bucks for that. Hopefully when they do the full series release they fix this.
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It all stems from the TNG Blu-ray sampler sent out last year. Specifically, "Encounter at Farpoint" is the only episode that we can compare. The sampler had four episodes on a BD50 with minimal extras (vs. five episodes + extras on the S1 discs, the exception being the last disc). The result was a significatly higher bit rate than the S1 release which shows some signs of compression not found on the sampler. One more disc in the S1 set could have made a difference and it's regrettable that CBS didn't spring for that extra disc. It's not terrible or the end of the world, but it is noticeable.

(The sampler also had the original stereo mix losslless) mad.gif
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I came and googled looking for someone to confirm what I thought I had noticed... that the sampler pack looked stunning and that the season 1 disc version looked soft and compressed by comparison... good to see I wasn't seeing things. Too bad they couldn't have used an extra disc or two per season... I'd pay an extra 5 bucks for that. Hopefully when they do the full series release they fix this.

Hmm. Personally, I'm not seeing much of a visual difference between the sampler and Season One versions of "Encounter at Farpoint." Perhaps one of you could provide some screencap comparisons? TrekCore has an entire gallery of caps from the sampler version of "Farpoint," so all you'd have to do is capture some identical frames from the Season One set. TrekCore takes the screencaps as lossless PNGs using VLC player and then crops out the pillarboxing in Photoshop, saving as quality 11 JPGs.

Also, it's worth noting that disc one of Season One only has four episodes worth of content on it just like the Next Level sampler disc ("Encounter at Farpoint," "The Naked Now" and "Code of Honor"). Here is the relevant disc info for the two releases of "Farpoint," taken from here. First the Next Level sampler and then Season One. As you can see, there doesn't appear to be a significant difference in bitrate (for the pilot at least):
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MPEG-4 AVC Video        21960 kbps          1080p / 23.976 fps / 16:9 / High Profile 4.1

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MPEG-4 AVC Video        20649 kbps          1080p / 23.976 fps / 16:9 / High Profile 4.1
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Just to make sure that my own words are not taken out of context, I did not say that the difference was bad, just that it was noticeable. Let's not make a mountain out of a mole hill. There is no reason to expect that CBS will "fix" anything in any future releases as it isn't inherently broken. If we're talking wish lists, I would ecstatically trade more video bits to get back the lossless stereo mixes that the sampler had.

I can post up some Farpoint comparison PNGs later today if you like.
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When is next season due ?

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When is next season due ?

S5 on Nov 19.
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FYI, Amazon Prime Instant video has TNG seasons 1-3 in HD now. (remasters in 720p w/Dolby Digital) And no, they're not available on Netflix.

Don't want to start an argument about Streaming vs BluRay. Just saying if you want to see some of the remastering improvements before you buy the discs...
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Hulu has seasons 1 and 2 as well. I've been re-watchimg from the pilot on and when I got to the season 3 premiere it jarred me how much of a difference there is.

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I'm eagerly waiting the inevitable boxset with that one lonely little bonus disc that has something on it that I'm just supposed to really want to see, whatever it may be. *sighes*
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Sorry if this has been mentioned before but I am just getting to Season 5. I watched about 2 minutes of it. During the intro to the first episode there is the scene where the enterprise is flying across space and it looks terribly blurry. Anybody else notice this? I haven't watched anything else yet. I just finished Enterprise Season 2. I don't have the time I wish I had to watch all these at a faster pace.
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Any news on Season 6?
I'm pretty sure that I read a tweet stating February, but I am unable to verify this. Given their 3-4 month per season track record, it makes sense. Probably no later than March.
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Season 4 in HD is also on Amazon prime instant video now. I watched all 4 seasons. Did a fantastic job on them. I might buy the whole set when all the seasons are done.
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The last 10 eps of S4 (everything after "Galaxy's Child") are still standard-def.

Crossing my fingers that a DS9 HD remaster is forthcoming...
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Hulu has seasons 1 and 2 as well. I've been re-watchimg from the pilot on and when I got to the season 3 premiere it jarred me how much of a difference there is.

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Lol. Same with me. I already have the DVD set and the difference between BR was huge. This isn't urgent for me so I wait for each release of BR available before I continue.

In other words I wait for the quality.


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The last 10 eps of S4 (everything after "Galaxy's Child") are still standard-def.

Crossing my fingers that a DS9 HD remaster is forthcoming...

On Amazon prime? They were full HD and looked fantastic when I watched them a couple weeks ago.
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Yes, Amazon Prime. The last ten of S4 are still in SD, and they're not sporting the Dolby Digital tracks like the other remastered TNG episodes.

Galaxy's Child
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Notice the missing "HD" in the cover art and the missing "Available in HD on supported devices" in "Night Terrors"?
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I can see all of Season 4 in HD now. (literally changed a few days after I posted)

Wonder if someone complained.
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It's such a shame these Bluray releases aren't carried in stores. I've got a few gift cards I'd like to use on them.
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Don't know what stores you're referring to, but I'v seen the ST:TNG Blu seasons sets in Best Buy and Target. They do seem to get a small number and sell out quickly. So you have to hurry.
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It's such a shame these Bluray releases aren't carried in stores. I've got a few gift cards I'd like to use on them.

Yes they are. I see them on bestbuy's website all the time.
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I had no problem finding seasons 1 & 2 I got those at Sam's Club when they came out. I picked up season 3 at Half-Priced Books. I have never seen seasons 4 or 5 in a store anywhere.
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Does BBC America utilize any of the HD masters or are they still upconverts?
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