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post #4561 of 5590 Old 12-17-2011, 06:29 AM
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To be fair he's watching a on 32" Vizio set to Factory Presets, I'm surprised he didn't need sunglasses to watch it.

It's actually a 3D-capable set, but I didn't have that mode enabled on either the BD player or the TV for this. If I had, I would've been using the glasses for sure, and that would've changed things considerably. But I didn't.

And...as I said in my earlier post, I knew I was going to take some heat for my opinion on the overall production run. It seems people here are saying either "yes the green push is there on all copies" or "no it isn't there at all", so it seems I fall into the latter category. I'm still happy with the results on my set, and with the rest of my equipment, so I won't argue it (or my fortune with this copy of the set) any further.

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...don't forget about the underexposure. This is actually worse than
the green tint in my opinion.

I don't understand how this isn't bothering anyone that much. The darkness is ths biggest problem with the disc to me. That, combined with the green tint, is just horrible IMO.

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I don't understand how this isn't bothering anyone that much. The darkness is ths biggest problem with the disc to me. That, combined with the green tint, is just horrible IMO.

I did not notice the "darkness" on my setup for whatever reason. Maybe its my gamma setting, overall brightness, etc...? I was looking for it as well after reading a few comments about it. Moria would probably be the place it would be the worst(?) and that whole section looked excellent with great shadow detail as well.

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Just received my boxset today....without even seeing the movies, I am VERY impressed with the packaging/artwork, etc....

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There is absolutely nothing wrong with enjoying a release that is somehow flawed. A lot of people thought the first Gladiator release was fine. Lot of people probably watched the first release of Gangs of New York and didn't see any issues. And etc..

But I would like to add that the ability of a few or even many to enjoy a flawed BD release unfortunately does not address the underlying truth that the product is flawed.

Heh. As flawed as y'all claim it to be, FOTR EE in its current state is nowhere near the utter travesties that were Gladiator and GONY.
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...don't forget about the underexposure. This is actually worse than the green tint in my opinion.

It's a bit dull based on the handful of scenes I watched (I actually tried to look for some of the more now-infamous scenes ) , but I can't point to something nearly as sure-fire as, say, the end credits being not-white and say "Ah! Well, that's clearly a f*** up." in regards to the generally dull contrast.

FOTR EE is frustrating, but it's not the train wreck some have implied. It's a mostly good transfer marred by some slightly weird lapses in QC - but for an expensive, all-out edition like it got, it deserved better.

Agreed, KBMan - any box that's got a magnetic clasp is alright by me.
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I dunno if I'd call it an "all-out edition". Not to excuse any perceived lapses in quality, but the set is a lazy repackaging of the existing EE/LE extra material without a shred of worthwhile new content. After the snafu of the theatrical set I wasn't expecting miracles from the EE box.
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Not to excuse any perceived lapses in quality, but the set is a lazy repackaging of the existing EE/LE extra material without a shred of worthwhile new content...

...are you kidding? There's over 26 hours of bonus features in the EE box set. In terms of bonus content, what more could New Line possibly even give these films?
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It's actually a 3D-capable set, but I didn't have that mode enabled on either the BD player or the TV for this. If I had, I would've been using the glasses for sure, and that would've changed things considerably. But I didn't.

And...as I said in my earlier post, I knew I was going to take some heat for my opinion on the overall production run. It seems people here are saying either "yes the green push is there on all copies" or "no it isn't there at all", so it seems I fall into the latter category. I'm still happy with the results on my set, and with the rest of my equipment, so I won't argue it (or my fortune with this copy of the set) any further.

I'm not knocking you or your set, I'm just saying that on a smaller (relatively speaking) set that has never been calibrated and is still using factory settings (and Vizio's are typically torched to Hell) it would be nearly impossible to discern faithful color reproduction even if it had an extreme green bias (as it does).
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I'm not knocking you or your set, I'm just saying that on a smaller (relatively speaking) set that has never been calibrated and is still using factory settings (and Vizio's are typically torched to Hell) it would be nearly impossible to discern faithful color reproduction even if it had an extreme green bias (as it does).

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The solution for me was just to turn the audio up a little more and I quickly forgot about the slight green tint due to how awesome the sound was

Haha....that's awesome.
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...are you kidding? There's over 26 hours of bonus features in the EE box set. In terms of bonus content, what more could New Line possibly even give these films?

26 hours....that's all been seen/heard before. They didn't even bother to re-author the content for BD. Sorry bro, that's just plain laziness.

As for extra content, there are plenty of deleted/alternate scenes that have yet to see the light of day, ditto for the blooper reels, and the defining documentary about the whole process has yet to be made. The movie had a very protracted development and, given the time that's passed, the studio politics which prevented that story being told have surely been put on the back-burner.
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26 hours....that's all been seen/heard before. They didn't even bother to re-author the content for BD. Sorry bro, that's just plain laziness.

I would have kinda preferred they crammed all of the features on 3 BDs too just for the simplicity of getting from Point A to Point B, but why bother? It was all produced in SD anyway and I wouldn't be surprised if many of those bonus discs were pulled from the EE DVD (though I haven't checked to be sure).

Is it THE Definitive, Final edition of the Lord of the Rings? Probably not. Is it going to be good enough for most fans (FOTR tinge aside)? Probably. For $120 MSRP and with a brand new transfer for FOTR, it's hardly something kicked out the back door as an afterthought. For that price and knowing this is the release plenty of folks skipped the TE release for, they can QC the transfer and make sure the colors aren't borked.

If absolutely nothing else, the release is an "All Out" affair compared to the first Blu-ray release of the trilogy.
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For all we know, the ultimate Hobbit edition will all be green to match the newer FOTR release. LOL
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For all we know, the ultimate Hobbit edition will all be green to match the newer FOTR release. LOL

I wouldn't laugh at that possibility.

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I'm smiling as I imagine this place going into meltdown should such a thing occur. Perhaps Jackson didn't have time to regrade the other two movies, and the Hobbit movies may themselves be a sea of dull green as far as the eye can see.
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I'm smiling as I imagine this place going into meltdown should such a thing occur. Perhaps Jackson didn't have time to regrade the other two movies, and the Hobbit movies may themselves be a sea of dull green as far as the eye can see.

Meltdowns are selective, the matrix was aloud lotr was not.
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I'm smiling as I imagine this place going into meltdown should such a thing occur. Perhaps Jackson didn't have time to regrade the other two movies, and the Hobbit movies may themselves be a sea of dull green as far as the eye can see.

Since every other movie is orange and teal these days it would surprise me if they AREN'T
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Since every other movie is orange and real these days it would surprise me if they AREN'T

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it just happened by mistake and it was subtle enough that nobody in QC actually noticed.

I'm honestly not sure the studios even do a QC run. When I played my original copy of Saving Private Ryan I was stunned at how bad the audio sync was off. There is *no* way that anyone sat down and watched the film from a completed BD image before they pressed those discs.
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Heh. As flawed as y'all claim it to be, FOTR EE in its current state is nowhere near the utter travesties that were Gladiator and GONY.

Completely agree. I merely cited those films to demonstrate that there will always be people that are completely satisfied with a BD release regardless of how flawed it may be. The more obvious the flaw, the fewer people will defend it of course. But again, my point; just because even a majority of viewers don't notice and/or care about a flawed BD release does not change the fact that it is flawed.
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Watched the first 15 min of FOTR EE and saw SOME green tint, but that didn't bother me nearly as much as the under-exposure that I was seeing....it just makes the movie look pale, and to boot there was contrast boosting as well, which I would reckon would crush the black levels.....I'll let you all know what I think when I get to (finally) watch the entire film on BD....

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All the equipment above was set to factory presets, no tweaking or runtime color corrections were made. Whites were pure white, and other colors came out as I expected ... I'm of the opinion that only a portion of the production run for these discs was badly calibrated to induce the green overload that most here have been reporting.

Okay, here's a very easy way to see the tint on the disc if your disc is bad. Everyone says "even the end credits have the tint" but that is not completely true. The scrolling end credits are NOT tinted or underexposed.

So play the very end. When the credits come on such as "Peter Jackson" where they fade in/out, this will be tinted green and underexposed. However, when the scrolling credits come on the screen, they will no longer be green tinted or underexposed. Then, later, when the fan credits come on, those are tinted again. I think (from memory) you can see both the white normal credits and the green tinted fan credits on the screen at the same time, so you can see if your copy is tinted.

However, as others have pointed out, if you're using the out of the box settings on your TV, its likely that your settings are such that it removes all detail and colors that are in the lightest parts of the image (known as 'white crush') - thus you might not be able to see it on peak whites. You'd need to get a calibration disc (such as the free downloadable AVS HD 709) and set your whites to 235 first.

But if you prefer the brighter image in exchange for losing detail in the light areas, then by all means leave it the way it is and enjoy your movies how you like them.
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Anyone else take a moment to watch the Hobbit trailer released today? There is a very strong green tint in several scenes. I literally laughed out loud when I saw it (thinking of this thread).
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Anyone else take a moment to watch the Hobbit trailer released today? There is a very strong green tint in several scenes. I literally laughed out loud when I saw it (thinking of this thread).

Ha... I thought just the opposite when I saw it: NO green tint whatsoever. Let the mad controversy and theorizing based on incredibly compressed images begin!
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Ha... I thought just the opposite when I saw it: NO green tint whatsoever. Let the mad controversy and theorizing based on incredibly compressed images begin!

I thought the same about the trailer...no green! Looks to be a good movie, that is if they follow the book pretty closely. I'm sure it's going to be more 'serious' though....

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Let the mad controversy and theorizing based on incredibly compressed images begin!

You're several years too late on that one.

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I don't know about a strong green tint in the hobbit trailer, it didn't look like it had that problem to me, thank god, but there is definately a teal tint that is sadly so prevalent in films these days. Hobbiton looked really appealing in FOTR but it doesn't really in the trailer, its been all tealified. Its seems that even PJ is not immune to the charms of teal...

Loved the rest of the trailer though, especially the misty mountain song. I'm still a bit fifty/fifty about Martin Freeman's casting, I think Ian Holm makes a much better Bilbo. Martin Freeman's performance just seems a little flat compared to Ian Holm, IMHO he's missing a lot of the subtle eccentric nuances that Ian Holm brought to the role. Hopefully he'll grow on me the more I see him in the role, Ian Holm was just so perfect as Bilbo that it's hard to imagine another actor playing the role.
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I'm still a bit fifty/fifty about Martin Freeman's casting, I think Ian Holm makes a much better Bilbo. Martin Freeman's performance just seems a little flat compared to Ian Holm, IMHO he's missing a lot of the subtle eccentric nuances that Ian Holm brought to the role. Hopefully he'll grow on me the more I see him in the role, Ian Holm was just so perfect as Bilbo that it's hard to imagine another actor playing the role.

I agree, but Mr. Holm is a bit too old to play Bilbo at his age in The Hobbit. I know he lived to be eleventy-one, but this is 60 years before LOTR.

Too much makeup/CG would ruin the look of the character.

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He did it in FOTR, he could do it in The Hobbit. He probably just didn't want to go through the on location stuff which is understandable given how limited his screen presence was in LOTR.
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