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post #5611 of 5631 Old 01-13-2015, 04:13 PM
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There won't be new editions for several years apart from the obvious boxset with all the PJ films, theatrical and extended, and no 4K edition will come until the LOTR trilogy has been re-scanned at 4K and the effects are redone in 4K, which won't really be practical until after the end of the Avatar film series, which WETA will be making their bread and butter from over the next several years and that will be done in 4K.
I doubt they will go back and redo the effects in 4k as that would cost millions of dollars. They'll just upconvert the 2k or 2.8k DI's as they have with other supposed 4k masters... unless a movie's film elements solely rest in the "analog" celluloid world, which would then allow for a fresh, new 4k master without upconverting anything.
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I think at some point they will redo the digital effects in 4K and re-transfer the original film elements in 4K (or maybe even 8K), but I don't expect that anytime in the next 5 years at least. Maybe in 2021 for the 20th anniversary or something.
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I think at some point they will redo the digital effects in 4K and re-transfer the original film elements in 4K (or maybe even 8K), but I don't expect that anytime in the next 5 years at least. Maybe in 2021 for the 20th anniversary or something.
Something like that would cost millions. They won't do it unless Jackson pays for the re-rendering himself. They will either be 4k upscales or 1080p with 10 bit color and the other advancements once released on Ultra HD disc.

The only advancement I could possibly see besides bit depth and color improvements would be an audio overhaul to Dolby Atmos or DTS:X.

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Something like that would cost millions.

Of course, but that doesn't mean the studio won't do it.
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Of course, but that doesn't mean the studio won't do it.
Not if it costs that much. They barely bother to scrape up the money to restore and archive their classics before they're destroyed by the ravishes of time.

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Not if it costs that much. They barely bother to scrape up the money to restore and archive their classics before they're destroyed by the ravishes of time.

Yeah, but this is LOTR, which was a major cash cow for them (and not some minor movie). It's an epic classic that I could totally see them funding to restore or upgrade to 4K.
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They would basically have to remake all three movies. This would be a huge endeavor and cost millions as Dan, said. I would be pleasantly shocked if this ever happened.

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I doubt they will go back and redo the effects in 4k as that would cost millions of dollars. They'll just upconvert the 2k or 2.8k DI's as they have with other supposed 4k masters... unless a movie's film elements solely rest in the "analog" celluloid world, which would then allow for a fresh, new 4k master without upconverting anything.
Take it for what you will, but a person I know (and I do not mean over the internet) who worked on LOTR told me the vfx elements were rendered at 4K.
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Take it for what you will, but a person I know (and I do not mean over the internet) who worked on LOTR told me the vfx elements were rendered at 4K.
I doubt they could have (or would have) done that, considering the infrastructure back then and the time crunch that WETA was under. Everything I've read from WETA says almost all of the work for VFX and grading was done at 2K with bits and pieces of the trilogy worked on at 4K for resolution/clarity purposes, with the finished product being a 2K master.
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Take it for what you will, but a person I know (and I do not mean over the internet) who worked on LOTR told me the vfx elements were rendered at 4K.
Are you sure they weren't talking of The Hobbit Trilogy? I highly doubt WETA had 4k CGI rendering capabilities that many years ago when working on LOTR. Few SFX houses even have 4k capabilities or the arrays for the massive storage wrangling duties for it currently.

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I doubt they could have (or would have) done that, considering the infrastructure back then and the time crunch that WETA was under.

This is another reason aside from the resolution bump that they should redo the effects. They look and feel rushed and unrefined to me. I think they could greatly benefit from a complete redo, but taking the necessary time to really perfect the result.
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Are you sure they weren't talking of The Hobbit Trilogy? I highly doubt WETA had 4k CGI rendering capabilities that many years ago when working on LOTR. Few SFX houses even have 4k capabilities or the arrays for the massive storage wrangling duties for it currently.

WETA did a small amount of work in 4K for the LOTR trilogy, but it was only where it was needed for specific shots because they certainly couldn't have done it for the whole trilogy with the resources they had back then. Some 4K material was put together from The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey to use for 4K projector demos.
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I doubt they could have (or would have) done that, considering the infrastructure back then and the time crunch that WETA was under. Everything I've read from WETA says almost all of the work for VFX and grading was done at 2K with bits and pieces of the trilogy worked on at 4K for resolution/clarity purposes, with the finished product being a 2K master.
I did not write '4K master', I wrote 'vfx elements'. They could do 8K elements if they wanted too, it is not a pipeline limitation just a rendering time issue.

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Are you sure they weren't talking of The Hobbit Trilogy? I highly doubt WETA had 4k CGI rendering capabilities that many years ago when working on LOTR. Few SFX houses even have 4k capabilities or the arrays for the massive storage wrangling duties for it currently.
I do not know where you get this idea from. I was doing 4k renders ten years before LOTR even came out, every professional 3D software had render options to do 4K and 8K back then. As for storage space, that is (or was) more of a problem for full CG (ie Pixar like) productions which is why they rendered at 2K.

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I do not know where you get this idea from. I was doing 4k renders ten years before LOTR even came out, every professional 3D software had render options to do 4K and 8K back then. As for storage space, that is (or was) more of a problem for full CG (ie Pixar like) productions which is why they rendered at 2K.

It's one thing to do a single static element at 4K/8K (with not a lot of polygons or hi-res texturing). It's a whole other ballgame to do feature film VFX at that, and today the vast majority are still done at 2K despite huge advances in rendering time. Even productions with IMAX sequences like STAR TREK INTO DARKNESS had VFX resolution much lower than what the IMAX format is capable of. 4K VFX shots are still rare. And this is 2015.


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In a sense, yes. Pure, unsaturated white on FOTR is much greener than pure, unsaturated white on the The Hobbit. For example, in the titles:



In this image, photoshop says the titles are the same color of green, but the hobbit is at full brightness (white level) with 8% green saturation, and FOTR is 88% brightness with 14% green saturation.

My opinion is they were supposed to be the same, but the error in FOTR is improper white level way too low, causing the tint to be stronger everywhere.

Hello old friends! Just checking in for an update on the Green CRUSH. Any predictions on when the 6 film extended box-set will be released? That, plus a resolution to the ol' gC is all I'm waiting for.
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Any predictions on when the 6 film extended box-set will be released?
Extended Edition of The Five Armies I can't see being out before December. So I'd imagine sometime early next year. Or Spring even… If that. He has to milk each release for a while…
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So if I purchase FotR EE 720/1080p on iTunes it will have no green tint, correct? Or have they since replaced the good version with the bad?

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Does the top image contain blue and gold or just green and green?
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Stop posting such comparisons. They just make you sad...
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I want the lower version, where can I get it? Please?
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