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Sad to say, I purchased the iTunes Extended HD release and it's the same as the Blu. Tint is still there. Waste of $18.

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I'm not greedy. I'll take 1080P EE of all 6 with proper color at this point.
So the time is coming near where I must purchase and share these films with the family. I'm assuming the fat bastard has not come to his senses yet and produced a non black crushed, green tinted version of the first film in HD yet? How about a EE versions of the 3 Hobbits or a 6 movie EE box set? I couldn't find either for sale.
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How about a EE versions of the 3 Hobbits or a 6 movie EE box set? I couldn't find either for sale.
They haven't released the EE version of the last Hobbit Film yet. I suspect the boxed editions will come after that. I don't expect that they will be any different than the discs we have today for LOTR though.
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They haven't released the EE version of the last Hobbit Film yet. I suspect the boxed editions will come after that. I don't expect that they will be any different than the discs we have today for LOTR though.
Thanks. ETA for the EE Hobbit or 6 film Box Set?
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They haven't released the EE version of the last Hobbit Film yet. I suspect the boxed editions will come after that. I don't expect that they will be any different than the discs we have today for LOTR though.
It is one of the reasons I find it hard to watch the Blu-Ray versions. That tint is awful. As well as some of the sound differences compared to DVD.
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Blu-Ray is a diluted down mix to play on everything, and far from the theatrical quality DCP release.

And the payoff is never certain: Some observers contend that a generation has already been trained to be content with the small screen.
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It is one of the reasons I find it hard to watch the Blu-Ray versions. That tint is awful. As well as some of the sound differences compared to DVD.
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Blu-Ray is a diluted down mix to play on everything, and far from the theatrical quality DCP release.
Welcome to the LOTR Delivery Method is Not Above Criticism Club (LOTRDMNACC)! Wow, so the sound is a mess as well? That's a new one to me. Great.

It's looking like I won't have time to wait for the lord himself to correct these issues. I'm just hoping for a 6 movie EE version so that I don't have to tithe to "he who is above reproach" more than once or twice.
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Welcome to the LOTR Delivery Method is Not Above Criticism Club (LOTRDMNACC)! Wow, so the sound is a mess as well? That's a new one to me. Great.

It's looking like I won't have time to wait for the lord himself to correct these issues. I'm just hoping for a 6 movie EE version so that I don't have to tithe to "he who is above reproach" more than once or twice.
The sound is fine. The color timing on the first film is not.
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The sound is fine. The color timing on the first film is not.
Wonder what they meant by "sound differences compared to DVD" and "diluted down mix to play on everything, and far from the theatrical quality DCP release"...

What's a DCP btw?
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Wonder what they meant by "sound differences compared to DVD" and "diluted down mix to play on everything, and far from the theatrical quality DCP release"...

What's a DCP btw?
Some are up in arms that the home video versions of most movies have near-field remixes created. Most are great (like LOTR), some get "dumbed down" too much. A DCP is a digital cinema package for digital delivery to theaters via streaming or hard drives.

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welcome to the lotr delivery method is not above criticism club (lotrdmnacc)! Wow, so the sound is a mess as well? That's a new one to me. Great.

it's looking like i won't have time to wait for the lord himself to correct these issues. I'm just hoping for a 6 movie ee version so that i don't have to tithe to "he who is above reproach" more than once or twice.
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I'm probably one of the few people who thinks the extended Fellowship looks great. It has a very natural, film-like look to it. The skintones and colors are excellent. (I've watched it last on my JVC RS4810 front projector which is pro calibrated by Chad B). The teal issue isn't much of an issue IMO. It's glaring when you're looking at screencaps comparing, but just focused on watching the movie I don't think it stands out badly - and really only slightly noticeable in a few scenes when I am looking for it.

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I'm probably one of the few people who thinks the extended Fellowship looks great. It has a very natural, film-like look to it. The skintones and colors are excellent. (I've watched it last on my JVC RS4810 front projector which is pro calibrated by Chad B). The teal issue isn't much of an issue IMO. It's glaring when you're looking at screencaps comparing, but just focused on watching the movie I don't think it stands out badly - and really only slightly noticeable in a few scenes when I am looking for it.
So you don't notice the impact it has on white balance overall, as in muddy whites and crushed blacks? You can see the appropriate amount of detail in Moria?
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It is very strong. As The Hobbit films are healthy.
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So you don't notice the impact it has on white balance overall, as in muddy whites and crushed blacks? You can see the appropriate amount of detail in Moria?
I would have to take a look at Moria again, but nothing struck me as a "stand out" issue. Make sure your display is properly calibrated, as well, in terms of greyscale, brightness (black level), and gamma. Mishaps there can easily crush detail or accentuate a skewed color especially in white very easily. I've also watched the disc on my pro calibrated plasma and had the same impressions.

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So you don't notice the impact it has on white balance overall, as in muddy whites and crushed blacks? You can see the appropriate amount of detail in Moria?

I did notice the crushed shadow detail in the mines, but not the overall white balance even though I knew it was off and looked for it. That alone would not have been a deal-breaker as there are many movies with way more aggressive orange, teal, etc.

I was actually more bothered by the constantly changing color grading that was done by Jackson & Lesnie for the new master. This is unfortunate because it is "as intended by the artist" according to WB (as opposed to a fault in the Blu-Ray authoring) and I doubt they will remaster that again.

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Blu-Ray is a diluted down mix to play on everything, and far from the theatrical quality DCP release.
While the tint issue has been analyzed from every conceivable angle (from "it was intentional" to "they really borked this release up and won't admit it"), this has got to be the first time the audio was criticized (excepting a probable LFE filter, of course)...

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CA has an odd axe to grind in regards to anything of reality and he has peculiar and unfounded hate for blu-ray in particular.

Frankly, it would be best to ignore most of what he says, since he frequently makes false statements; along with an unhealthy serving of paranoia and conspiracy theories.

I do not recall any differences between the DVDs and the BRs but I have not done a direct comparison in years. Should be the same.
Now The Hobbit trilogy is a different animal all together but that issue it potentially and partly due to creative choices. The AUJ EE has a smidge more bass than the standard BR so the weak lower octaves is likely inherent to the mix.

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While the tint issue has been analyzed from every conceivable angle (from "it was intentional" to "they really borked this release up and won't admit it"), this has got to be the first time the audio was criticized (excepting a probable LFE filter, of course)...
Listen to the sound before Gollum pulls Frodo away as the huge beam of light shoots up.
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Listen to the sound before Gollum pulls Frodo away as the huge beam of light shoots up.
Why don't you tell us what you hear that's wrong?
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While the tint issue has been analyzed from every conceivable angle (from "it was intentional" to "they really borked this release up and won't admit it"), this has got to be the first time the audio was criticized (excepting a probable LFE filter, of course)...
Either i have a bad disk or something. When i stream it it has perfect picture and sound. BD has that annoying tint, plus all these unexplained sudden volume level drops. I am not the only one, listen to yours. However on streaming it works great.

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Why don't you tell us what you hear that's wrong?
I don't know how to describe it but it is two different sounds. On the DVD it's a very rich sound with bass and a little surround feeling. Quite a powerful sense. On the Blu-Ray it is a screech/squeal sound that has no bass but comes from the fronts only.
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While the tint issue has been analyzed from every conceivable angle (from "it was intentional" to "they really borked this release up and won't admit it"), this has got to be the first time the audio was criticized (excepting a probable LFE filter, of course)...

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I ordered the BD EE 3 disc set from Amazon prime days sale for $27. A little disappointing to read all the comments about the green cast issues.
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I have the ext box set, to me its looks incredible upscaled to 4k along with the sound is very big to me, bass really hits and feels like the Ent are walking nearby. Since each movie is broken up into 2 discs I would assume its all bitrate and nothing compressed

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Something like that would cost millions. They won't do it unless Jackson pays for the re-rendering himself. They will either be 4k upscales or 1080p with 10 bit color and the other advancements once released on Ultra HD disc.

The only advancement I could possibly see besides bit depth and color improvements would be an audio overhaul to Dolby Atmos or DTS:X.
Considering how much money these films have made, it doesn't seem like a bad investment.
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Does the top image contain blue and gold or just green and green?
Holy cow! So which format are these two images from? (IOW, what is EE and EE full fix? Sorry, I don't understand the terminology.)
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Holy cow! So which format are these two images from? (IOW, what is EE and EE full fix? Sorry, I don't understand the terminology.)
He just adjusted the color timing of the frame capture of the Extended Edition Blu-ray.
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He just adjusted the color timing of the frame capture of the Extended Edition Blu-ray.
You mean, the person who posted the picture took a picture and then adjusted the PQ? I thought it was a comparison of two different blu rays.

At any rate, if that's what the blurays look like, I'll hold off buying them. I have the extended DVDs and the color timing is fine on them.
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