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darthjoe's Avatar darthjoe 03:21 PM 06-08-2011
Well, you can always get "The One" ring if you pre-order with Best Buy:

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage....&type=category

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One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to find them, One Ring to bring them all, And in the darkness blind them.

Ah...fail Best Buy...fail...

eric.exe's Avatar eric.exe 09:04 PM 06-08-2011
I have it on very good authority that Fellowship of the Ring indeed has an entirely new physical scan start to finish. No "new master is actually an old master with DNR" nonsense.
42041's Avatar 42041 09:14 PM 06-08-2011
Really? Seems like that would be pretty expensive. The official line from WB was that it was remastered from the original DI scans.

I hear these discs are in the wild now, so I expect someone to post some comparisons pretty soon. Really curious what WB did with the two discs.
sub24ox7's Avatar sub24ox7 10:32 PM 06-08-2011
It is true that the Fellowship of the Ring has a new scan it has the teal look anyway it looks sooo much better.
InspectorToschi's Avatar InspectorToschi 10:42 PM 06-08-2011
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I hear these discs are in the wild now, so I expect someone to post some comparisons pretty soon. Really curious what WB did with the two discs.

Ya, the 1080p rips can now be found online. Since I'm buying this set anyways there's no way I'm wasting my bandwidth just for a comparison, but I'm sure within the next 24 hours there will be some caps up from someone.
Thebarnman's Avatar Thebarnman 11:59 PM 06-08-2011
I'm not familiar with all the "Rings" titles. Is the new scan of "Fellowship" referring to the whole series or just one of the movies?

At least to me, it would be ideal to have a Blu-ray release of this title with all new fresh high quality scans of each of the "Ring" movies.
Mrkazador's Avatar Mrkazador 12:29 AM 06-09-2011
Here are the screenshots of the fellowship extended 1080p ENCODE. Can't wait till we see some proper comparisons but this will have to do for now...
http://www.phyrefile.com/image/view/m4UdwW4aKIINf9C2
http://www.phyrefile.com/image/view/vjbhfSdMAPSmItUm
http://www.phyrefile.com/image/view/VfuWWcgSoW6PLTnW
http://www.phyrefile.com/image/view/7FLY9V2jjaOvhvP6
DVD_sanchez's Avatar DVD_sanchez 12:40 AM 06-09-2011
Do you mean its pirated?

Looking good to me.
FitzRoy's Avatar FitzRoy 02:24 AM 06-09-2011
That's stellar, definitely a new transfer. Quick, someone grab the same frames from the original so we can do a direct comparison.
nick_danger's Avatar nick_danger 07:31 AM 06-09-2011
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Do you mean its pirated?
Looking good to me.
Yearrrrgh, me hearties!

Unfortunately, I cannot view those images from work. Blocked.
kingkong650's Avatar kingkong650 07:48 AM 06-09-2011
I've had a look at one of the encodes on the internet and the detail for fellowship of the ring looks great, definately looks better than the theatrical blu-ray and that's just an encode! It's definately a new master because the left side of the frame has been cropped and there is more image on the right side and on the top, compared to the hdtv stream I have (which was cropped exactly the same as the theatrical blu-ray).

However, not everything is good news. From what I've seen of Hobbiton at the beginning, when gandalf arrives, the new colour grading is unusual, very different from both the theatrical blu-ray and hdtv stream and doesn't look all that natural to me. I'll see if I can post up some comparisons to show everybody what I mean...
Joseph Goodman's Avatar Joseph Goodman 08:05 AM 06-09-2011
Didn't the extended DVD version also have markedly different timing/grading is some scenes, as compared to the theatrical version?
kingkong650's Avatar kingkong650 08:18 AM 06-09-2011
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Didn't the extended DVD version also have markedly different timing/grading is some scenes, as compared to the theatrical version?
I don't believe to the extent that we're seeing here. I'm sure I would have noticed!

This is a shot from the blu-ray (from a 720p encode so in no way indicative of the actual quality of the blu-ray but the colour grading should be the same):

http://imageshack.us/f/864/fotrbree1.png/

And this is the same shot from the hdtv stream:

http://imageshack.us/f/716/fotrhdtv1.png/

I'll see if I can extract the same frame from the theatrical blu-ray to put here as well...
frumpsnake's Avatar frumpsnake 08:19 AM 06-09-2011
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/58147

edit: and a few more:
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/58228
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/58229
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/58250

Not 100% if the first shot is a rip like the rest, but let's just agree there's a big jump and anxiously await proper untouched shots.
nick_danger's Avatar nick_danger 08:24 AM 06-09-2011
Yes, let's please keep this all in perspective. A recompressed rip of the new Blu-ray could have had any number of "enhancements" done to it. In addition, the caps could be affected by software "enhancements" from graphics drivers, user settings, media player settings, etc. (remember The Ten Commandments??)

That said, these early shots ARE promising. I look forward to a proper and reputable screenshot comparison thread.

AWESOME:
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kingkong650's Avatar kingkong650 08:25 AM 06-09-2011
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Cheers for that comparison! The difference in detail is pretty staggering!
kingkong650's Avatar kingkong650 08:31 AM 06-09-2011
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Yes, let's please keep this all in perspective. A recompressed rip of the new Blu-ray could have had any number of "enhancements" done to it. In addition, the caps could be affected by software "enhancements" from graphics drivers, user settings, media player settings, etc. (remember The Ten Commandments??)

That said, these early shots ARE promising. I look forward to a proper and reputable screenshot comparison thread.

AWESOME:
I've seen a great many encodes in my time and while the quality is always inferior to the blu-rays themselves to a greater or lesser degree, the colour grading is almost always close to 100% accurate. The method of capture and renderers you use can change the colour slightly but not to the extent we're seeing here. The encode screencaps of hobbiton are what we'll be getting colourwise, best get used to that now or prepare to be very disappointed later on when the blu-rays come out.
kingkong650's Avatar kingkong650 08:40 AM 06-09-2011
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http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/58147

edit: and a few more:
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/58228
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/58229
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/58250

Not 100% if the first shot is a rip like the rest, but let's just agree there's a big jump and anxiously await proper untouched shots.
The first two comparisons look great but I can't say I'm overly fond of the colour grading of the third and fourth shot from the extended edition fotr.
Schils's Avatar Schils 08:51 AM 06-09-2011
Looking really nice, but then I figured FotR would see a significant jump...what I'm curious about now are the other two flicks, are we gonna get basically the same PQ/AQ as the TC's or have they be at least somewhat improved (because they did look better than FotR) as well - gotta figure the source of these Fellowship comparison grabs must have the set, no? Lets see some TT please!!

Thanks for the links!
kingkong650's Avatar kingkong650 09:00 AM 06-09-2011
These are the shots I posted before in an easier to see comparison. Am I the only one bothered by the change in colour grading in Hobbiton? The sky's turned green in the extended edition... The hdtv stream has a slight green shift relative to the theatrical blu-ray but the extended edition blu-ray is something else entirely...

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/58270

EDIT:

Just extracted the same frame from the theatrical blu-ray. Here's the comparison between the theatrical blu-ray and the extended edition blu-ray:

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/58275

Another comparison between the theatrical blu-ray and the extended edition blu-ray:

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/58278

Last comparison for the time being between the theatrical blu-ray and the extended edition blu-ray:

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/58281


I love the extra detail on the extended edition but i'm not convinced by the colour grading. I'm cancelling my order and waiting to see how this release pans out with proper screenshots taken from the blu-ray itself. This release is too expensive right now to put down the money on it unless i'm 100% convinced its an improvement on the extended hdtv stream I have, both in terms of detail and colour grading.
buddywhite's Avatar buddywhite 09:20 AM 06-09-2011
Awesome comparison!

I would be weird if just the fellowship had undergone a Restoration/new master and the two others got nothing.... I have my hopes up pretty high
42041's Avatar 42041 09:22 AM 06-09-2011
Something's screwy with the highlights in these shots, like the dynamic range is compressed on the upper end.
42041's Avatar 42041 09:23 AM 06-09-2011
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It would be weird if just the fellowship had undergone a Restoration/new master and the two others got nothing.... I have my hopes up pretty high
It would not be weird. The 2nd and 3rd movie were mastered completely digitally in the first place. The 1st wasn't.
nick_danger's Avatar nick_danger 09:37 AM 06-09-2011
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The first two comparisons look great but I can't say I'm overly fond of the colour grading of the third and fourth shot from the extended edition fotr.

I'm not going to say absolutely that I remember the color from the theater 5+ years ago, but my memory of these scenes jive well with the caps:

I don't remember the battlefield being blue like the TE, I remember it being just like the EE shot.
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/58228

Again, the EE shot is clearly less red and looks more natural to me, but I don't remember this exact scene from the theater so... grain of salt.
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/58229

Beautiful, beautiful Rivendale! The EE shot is how I remember it in the theater. It sticks out to me because I remember it being warm, but not as intense and "glowey" as the TE shot.
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/58250

All in all, even if the colors aren't 100% correct, the boost in clarity is exactly where it should be. Finally, a version of FOTR that looks better than broadcast HDTV!

EDIT: Cool it, Danger... Gotta stay objective. Wait for better caps.
elario's Avatar elario 09:40 AM 06-09-2011
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http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/58147

edit: and a few more:
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/58228
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/58229
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/58250

Not 100% if the first shot is a rip like the rest, but let's just agree there's a big jump and anxiously await proper untouched shots.

Those are my screenshots and yes the first of each is a rip. I have the BDs (and EE BDs preordered) but wanted to keep the comparison reasonably fair so used two rips of similar bitrate.
buddywhite's Avatar buddywhite 09:50 AM 06-09-2011
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It would not be weird. The 2nd and 3rd movie were mastered completely digitally in the first place. The 1st wasn't.

Ok, and the difference being?
Anyhow, I still think that towers and king will look better than their TC release, therefor, I'm sure something has been done to them
DJ Mike TJG's Avatar DJ Mike TJG 10:19 AM 06-09-2011
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http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/58250

I am sold on the back of that comparison - breathtaking!

Damn it, and here I was all ready to avoid spending my money on this set... Argh!!!
42041's Avatar 42041 10:27 AM 06-09-2011
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Ok, and the difference being?

WB says Fellowship was remastered from the original 2K digital files. Since the first movie was not fully digital, but about 80% so, the original master was a film IP.
TT and FOTR are already from the original 2K digital files.
42041's Avatar 42041 10:37 AM 06-09-2011
Wasn't some guy saying that horribly DNRd scene was part of the movie?
yeah... not so much
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/58223
dgkp's Avatar dgkp 11:07 AM 06-09-2011
I just want to say: good things come to those who wait!
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