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post #991 of 5590 Old 06-12-2011, 12:09 PM
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As i typically encode my Bluray's to MKV for playback from my media center, its pretty good (if you can call it that) that the green cast on FOTR appears to be all the way through the movie, this will allow me to remove it during encode, so the resulting MKV looks correct.
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I am heading in the direction of a networked media tank myself. If this turns out to be how the US version looks, I guess that would be my opportunity to "correct" it. I really don't like having to do that and hope we get some sort of an explanation.

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I am heading in the direction of a networked media tank myself. If this turns out to be how the US version looks, I guess that would be my opportunity to "correct" it. I really don't like having to do that and hope we get some sort of an explanation.

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IF the US version does look like this I would certainly hope there is a VERY good chance that they would fix this either by delaying the set OR offering an exchange program when the issue is solved.

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An inquiry about the new grading has been made to WHV via my employers, and I'm waiting for a response.

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An inquiry about the new grading has been made to WHV via my employers, and I'm waiting for a response.

Thank you, Petri. I hope that they don't view you as a troublemaker.

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http://screenshotcomparison.com/comp...9076/picture:0
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comp...9076/picture:1

Avisynth:

ConvertToRGB32()
RGBAdjust(.98, .95, 1.05, 1)

The white shot when Frodo wakes up is not 100% white using those adjustments, but it looks significantly better. I'm not sure it's even supposed to be white. By the time I made enough adjustments that it was, everything else just looked odd.
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An inquiry about the new grading has been made to WHV via my employers, and I'm waiting for a response.

Uh-oh spaghetti-o's.
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Uh people, nearly every new transfer these days has an aqua/green tint, why isn't everyone used to it by now?

examples:
New transfer/master/scan/whatever vs Old






















Every set is a completely different movie

I honestly think it comes off the scanners that way, an no one corrects it
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Some people are gonna freak, when the new Lethal Weapon transfers hit the US properly.
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Has anyone compared Two Towers and Return of the King Blu-ray shots?

Or how about comparing two towers flashback scene to the fellowshop flashback scene!!
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Some people are gonna freak, when the new Lethal Weapon transfers hit the US properly.

Only the first two movies though. 3 and 4 are green free.
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Tweeted Harry Knowles and he has contacted Peter Jackson about the issue. Good start I would say.
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Tweeted Harry Knowles and he has contacted Peter Jackson about the issue. Good start I would say.

now we're talking....
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Tweeted Harry Knowles and he has contacted Peter Jackson about the issue. Good start I would say.

Nice!

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I compared some of the pictures to my EE DVD. I also tried to fix some pics. By fixing I mean ajusting colors in Photoshop to make it look like the EE DVD. It appears that just changing levels or your tv settings will not fix the problem, because every picutre I tried needed different color settings. And sometimes I couldn't find the proper settings to make it look like the EE DVD. For example, I wasn't able to remove the teal from Sarumans beard (you can see what I mean in picture 3).

I will provide pictures once I have three posts
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Every set is a completely different movie

I honestly think it comes off the scanners that way, an no one corrects it

Some of those don't deserve to be on there because the DVD is washed out poo in all colors, especially Heat.

Personally, I am not hot and bothered by XYZ color push, just EE and detail removal.

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Here is an example of a screenshot that I intentionally made green. It looks okay to my eyes. There are more Here. Those FOTR screenshots make mine look very unsaturated. Mine is a photo limited to color temp, saturation, and white balance. Please note that I am not suggesting mine would be a correct method of color correction.


This does not look green on my projector, which is calibrated to Rec. 709. His jacket looks light gray and his pants appear brown. Other members can confirm this. There seems to be more yellow viewing on my LED pc monitor set to dynamic or full.
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Uh people, nearly every new transfer these days has an aqua/green tint, why isn't everyone used to it by now?

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New transfer/master/scan/whatever vs Old






















Every set is a completely different movie

I honestly think it comes off the scanners that way, an no one corrects it

eric - I'm a little familiar with the screenshot of the pretty lady in the red and white dress (one down from the top of your list).see, http://forum.blu-ray.com/insider-dis...ml#post4830255

And in that case at least, I can assure you that the color grading for the restoration (with subsequent Blu-ray rendition) was based upon (and is accurate to ) an archival print used as reference - which is considered the gold standard.at least in terms of the original colors.
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Tweeted Harry Knowles and he has contacted Peter Jackson about the issue. Good start I would say.

Good thing. I'm curious if Jackson was really involved in this. One thing I don't understand is why they changed the color grading for this edition. If there is a green grading with every new blu ray release, why haven't they changed the color of two towers and return of the king as well? Or why haven't they done this with the theatrical editions?
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Uh people, nearly every new transfer these days has an aqua/green tint, why isn't everyone used to it by now?

examples:

Wonderful post, I am shocked to see just how prevalent this has become.

I can see how a teal tint might be a cool 'look' for one particular movie (to give itself a unique visual style), but for nearly every single movie to look like this.....it is just baffling.
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Glad people are recognizing the problem now, let's hope it gets corrected and the folks responsible for allowing this to ship learn their lesson.
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Good comparison, thanks.

Gotta say, I prefer the DVD in *some* of those shots, but I also prefer the Blu-Ray in several of those shots. Overall I might even give the edge to the Blu-Ray color grading. Somewhere in the middle between both be probably best, though.

That said, of course such comparison should be done on a properly calibrated display, and of course the DVD and Blu-Ray screenshots must be made correctly, too. E.g. what many people don't know is that DVD screenshots need to be watched on a display calibrated to BT.601, if you want to see the colors as intended. If you want to compare DVD and Blu-Ray screenshots, you need to gamut convert the DVD screenshots from BT.601 to BT.709.
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Yeah, I don't know anything about what you said. I just grabbed my DVD and took some screenshots with VLC.
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well basically, blu-ray has a wider color gamut than dvd, but when you compare the other two movies the colors look pretty much the same so...
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I promise that I never said that green whites would look good for The Matrix or FOTR.
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EE Blu-ray superior color-wise in all the examples here:

http://img804.imageshack.us/img804/3536/fotr5.png

and here:

http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/498/fotr4.png

The EE BD looks horrible in the Frodo shot here:

http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/4803/fotr3.png
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Yeah, I don't know anything about what you said. I just grabbed my DVD and took some screenshots with VLC.

Well, the difference between DVD BT.601 and DVD BT.709 screenshots is very small. The difference between the colors in the DVD and Blu-Ray is at least 100x bigger. So your comparison is still valid, even if it's not 100% perfect, only 99.9%.
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EE Blu-ray superior color-wise in all the examples here:

http://img804.imageshack.us/img804/3536/fotr5.png

it looks superior because the colors are more satured due to the "green filter". i prefer to have accurate colours and adjust the color saturation myself thank you.
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