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Morpheo 01-15-2011 06:43 AM

I just read on the thedigitalbits that the LOTR Extended versions are going to be released on Blu-ray "sometime" this year! Now we may not no the exact release date, but that's great news!!!

http://www.thedigitalbits.com/#mytwocents

"What's more, our sources are NOW telling us that WHV (and their now in-house New Line label) is ALSO planning to release Peter Jackson's long-awaited The Lord of the Rings Trilogy: Extended Editions on Blu-ray sometime this year. No kidding. We suspect that, now that The Hobbit films are finally about to begin filming, the studio is eager to get more product on store shelves to keep the franchise fresh in the minds of fans. The Extended Rings films on BD are the obvious choice for this year. Farther down the line, of course, there will be the obvious Blu-ray and Blu-ray 3D versions of The Hobbit films, and sooner or later an "ultimate" box set of all the films with all new extras custom created by Jackson. Anyway, we're told to expect some kind of official news from the studio on their extensive plans on this title in the next several weeks. "

nick_danger 01-15-2011 06:55 AM

Most excellent. Even when the theatrical versions dropped to $7 each, I resisted. I am so excited for this!

Jurassic Park
Star Wars
Lord of the Rings

2011 FTW.

DeAd MiKe 187 01-15-2011 08:00 AM

Give 'Fellowship' (and the others, while you're at it) a new transfer!

Joel Clemons 01-15-2011 08:43 AM

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Give 'Fellowship' (and the others, while you're at it) a new transfer!

I'd say also let Jackson be involved (he was refused participation in the transfers of the theatrical BDs)...but now he's probably too busy with THE HOBBIT.

42Plasmaman 01-15-2011 09:00 AM

I predict they won't hit shelves until 1st quarter of 2012.

42041 01-15-2011 10:11 AM

If WB figures out how to use AVC by then maybe it'll be a worthwhile PQ upgrade even if they use the same masters (though I hope WB actually goes back to the negative/DI for Fellowship this time). All three movies suffered significantly from mushy compression.

joeblow 01-15-2011 11:55 AM

The best Blu news so far this year. I'm glad I waited!

Morpheo 01-15-2011 12:01 PM

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I'd say also let Jackson be involved (he was refused participation in the transfers of the theatrical BDs)

Why? was this refusal somehow related to the previous NewLine/Jackson problems?

singhcr 01-15-2011 02:03 PM

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If WB figures out how to use AVC by then maybe it'll be a worthwhile PQ upgrade even if they use the same masters (though I hope WB actually goes back to the negative/DI for Fellowship this time). All three movies suffered significantly from mushy compression.

Let's hope so. Fellowship used a DI for part of the film, and a standard IP for the remainder. I have no idea why this is so, but apparently the first film wasn't ideal in terms of PQ. Nevertheless there is no excuse for the current BD to look slightly worse than a low-bitrate MPEG-2 HDTV broadcast. The other two films used a DI and should look great. They do for the most part- all WB has to do is remove the DNR filter and it would most likely have a 5/5 rating for the BD, as the DVDs were stellar.

oink 01-15-2011 02:46 PM

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All three movies suffered significantly from mushy compression.

Agreed...it is just shocking to see on my HT setup.
In spite of excellent audio, this first release is a big disappointment.

Dan Hitchman 01-15-2011 03:39 PM

New, supervised 6k transfers (the DP and Jackson overseeing all aspects) from the original elements!!!

New, matching CGI for Gollum in Fellowship!!!

Two discs for each film!!!**

High bitrate AVC without ungodly filtering!!!

New 7.1 mixes!!!

Subtitles within the picture!!!

**I've always thought they should handle this by making the three extended films like classic roadshow releases with Overture, Entr'acte/Intermission, and Exit music (with appropriate, classy title cards). Rather than an abrupt cut and INSERT DISC 2 instructions.

Pop the second disc in and the movie starts right up at the appropriate title card and music.

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Hey, I can dream, can't I?

Toe 01-15-2011 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by 42Plasmaman View Post

I predict they won't hit shelves until 1st quarter of 2012.


No way.........they will get these out during the holiday season of 2011 I bet

GREAT NEWS! Held off on the TEs for these and it looks like we will not have to wait as long as some people thought..............WOO HOO!

My hope is for 2 discs for each film (6 total) and 7.1 audio................

RobertR 01-15-2011 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Dan Hitchman View Post

New, supervised 6k transfers (the DP and Jackson overseeing all aspects) from the original elements!!!

New, matching CGI for Gollum in Fellowship!!!

Two discs for each film!!!**

High bitrate AVC without ungodly filtering!!!

New 7.1 mixes!!!

Subtitles within the picture!!!

High quality transfers using two discs per film would be plenty for me.

Jedi2016 01-15-2011 05:32 PM

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New, matching CGI for Gollum in Fellowship!!!

Didn't Jackson say something about this at one point? That, if given the chance, he'd go back and re-render Gollum in FotR? Seems like it wouldn't be that much work, really.. he's only in a few shots, and I can think of only two that would have to be re-done.

steel_breeze 01-15-2011 05:43 PM

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Didn't Jackson say something about this at one point? That, if given the chance, he'd go back and re-render Gollum in FotR? Seems like it wouldn't be that much work, really.. he's only in a few shots, and I can think of only two that would have to be re-done.

Nooooooooo. All you George Lucas types, keep your hands off my LOTR Extended! Not to geek out too much... I feel that the beauty of the way Gollum looks in LOTR is that we don't see him clearly; he's kind of a "mythic" version of Gollum before we meet the "real creature" in TWO TOWERS, so it doesn't matter if he doesn't exactly match. In LOTR, Gollum's sort of the way Frodo imagines him to be before he's actually face-to-face with the little guy.

Also... I kinda just want movies to stay the way they are when I fall in love with them... is that so wrong???

Just my 2 cents.

(And I recognize the irony in my defending an "Extended Edition" which is, in itself, different from the original theatrical editions. Two thoughts about that... #1, the theatricals are always available to whomever wants 'em; it's not like the Extended Editions came out and made those disappear... and #2, I frankly flat-out didn't like the theatricals much; for me, the Extended Editions are the versions I personally fell in love with. So, to me, those are the editions I want to preserve.)

Thebarnman 01-15-2011 08:28 PM

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High quality transfers using two discs per film would be plenty for me.

2 dics per film...why? How long are each of the movies?

Kilgore 01-15-2011 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Thebarnman View Post

2 dics per film...why? How long are each of the movies?

Title - Theatrical / Extended

Fellowship of the Ring - 178 / 208 minutes

The Two Towers - 179 / 223 minutes

The Return of the King - 201 / 251 minutes

Franin 01-16-2011 02:26 AM

Excellent news!! Definitely will pre order this.

Franin 01-16-2011 02:30 AM

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Originally Posted by RobertR View Post

High quality transfers using two discs per film would be plenty for me.

Same.

Dan Average 01-16-2011 03:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Dan Hitchman View Post

New, supervised 6k transfers (the DP and Jackson overseeing all aspects) from the original elements!!!

Kinda hard to do 6K transfers when you're dealing with effects-heavy films finished to 2K. As singhcr alluded, FOTR is the only one that went through any photochemical grading (and that was only for a minority of the film). For everything else -- including the entirety of TTT and ROTK -- they'd not only have to rescan the elements but also redo the color timing and the CGI. That's not happening anytime soon.

Faceless Rebel 01-16-2011 05:58 AM

A 50GB dual-layer disc is plenty for each film. There's no need to go down the DVD EE's path and split them over 2 discs again. A 50GB disc is enough to hold a 2-hour movie with bitrate at cap the whole way through, and there's no way any movie ever needs the bitrate at the cap the whole way through.

Jedi2016 01-16-2011 07:24 AM

Slightly off-topic, but has anyone figured out what the theoretical maximum movie length is for a 50GB disc, before PQ starts to suffer?

The longest BD I have is Seven Samurai, which clocks in at 207 minutes. But, it's not full-frame (windowboxed), and it's also black & white, so you can get away with a lower bitrate since you're not worrying about color. LOTR isn't full-frame either (letterboxed), but you've got the extra color information to deal with. How much of a difference would that make?

Yes, you probably could fit the films on one disc.. but RotK EE, for example, is over four hours long. That's a hell of a lot of video for one disc.

jazzmaster221 01-16-2011 08:30 AM

I' won't worry about the double dip ..I'll just give my theater version as a gift to some one

42041 01-16-2011 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Jedi2016 View Post

Slightly off-topic, but has anyone figured out what the theoretical maximum movie length is for a 50GB disc, before PQ starts to suffer?

The longest BD I have is Seven Samurai, which clocks in at 207 minutes. But, it's not full-frame (windowboxed), and it's also black & white, so you can get away with a lower bitrate since you're not worrying about color. LOTR isn't full-frame either (letterboxed), but you've got the extra color information to deal with. How much of a difference would that make?

Yes, you probably could fit the films on one disc.. but RotK EE, for example, is over four hours long. That's a hell of a lot of video for one disc.

There are too many factors, including one's threshold for PQ "suffering". I certainly wouldn't compare Criterion to WB, who routinely leave a quarter of the disc completely empty, stuff the rest with pointless dub tracks, and encode at seemingly the least efficient settings they can. You can still hit lower 20-range bitrates with about a 4-hour film if you leave off the unnecessary crap, a bitrate most studios seem to get decent results from.

Jedi2016 01-16-2011 09:26 AM

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I certainly wouldn't compare Criterion to WB..

LOL.. this is true. I only brought it up because it's the only longer-than-normal film I own on BD, and it has several things going for it that let it fit on one disc, perhaps easier than other films would.

Dan Hitchman 01-16-2011 02:48 PM

Dances With Wolves Extended Cut is a good example. It has much more static images (except the buffalo hunt) than the huge, fast paced, highly detailed war scenes of LOTR...

They crammed it on to one BD50 and the image quality did suffer somewhat, especially in the night shots.

Two BD50's at a higher average AVC bitrate are necessary.

Don't get lazy on us now, average viewer! I need to stretch my legs... and two discs would give me an opportunity to do just that with these ultra-long films.

paku 01-16-2011 03:42 PM

Four hours on one disc would be fine, too bad Warner suffers from dubitis. Also isn't like 30 minutes of ROTK the credits?

Dan Hitchman 01-16-2011 03:45 PM

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Four hours on one disc would be fine, too bad Warner suffers from dubitis. Also isn't like 30 minutes of ROTK the credits?

That's one of the reasons I REALLY want two discs per movie. WB also crams their discs with unnecessary "features."

Again, I have a hunch we'll be disappointed with a one disc release's video quality... mark my words.

Osirus23 01-16-2011 03:45 PM

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Four hours on one disc would be fine, too bad Warner suffers from dubitis. Also isn't like 30 minutes of ROTK the credits?

All of the EE films have ~30 minute credits.

Not that those require much of a bitrate though.

tfoltz 01-16-2011 05:42 PM

I don't really want 2 discs per film, but I guess it's ok if video/audio quality would suffer by being on 1 disc.


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