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post #151 of 180 Old 04-20-2011, 10:26 AM
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I disagree. The 3rd and 5th movies were the best so far IMO. I like having multiple directors since it breathes new life into the storytelling. And you don't have to read the books to grasp the movies, you just have to accept that they were books first and as such should be more true to those books for the fans rather than not. It's more important for their core audience to be happy with them being true to the books than people who haven't read them being upset with the pacing.

Trying to please the fans of the book is not good filmmaking. And in the end its a film they are making. If you want the bookversion just read the book. Its not the pacing thats the problem. Its scenes that doesnt bring the story forward that is. And the Potter movies is full of dead ends like this.

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the first 4 are the ones that stuck closest to the books... yes they did omit things and they did change some things but nowhere near the level of omission/changes of those that came after

I feel like the 5th movie omitted extraneous stuff like the Swede is mentioning he wants them to do, yet seems to be getting panned in this thread. I loved it, but loved the book too.
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Trying to please the fans of the book is not good filmmaking. And in the end its a film they are making. If you want the bookversion just read the book. Its not the pacing thats the problem. Its scenes that doesnt bring the story forward that is. And the Potter movies is full of dead ends like this.

Tell that to the LOTR fans.
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I feel like the 5th movie omitted extraneous stuff like the Swede is mentioning he wants them to do, yet seems to be getting panned in this thread. I loved it, but loved the book too.

Isnt the fifth getting panned because it doesnt bring the story forward its just one step forward and one step back.

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I disagree. The 3rd and 5th movies were the best so far IMO. I like having multiple directors since it breathes new life into the storytelling. And you don't have to read the books to grasp the movies, you just have to accept that they were books first and as such should be more true to those books for the fans rather than not. It's more important for their core audience to be happy with them being true to the books than people who haven't read them being upset with the pacing.

You still don't seem to understand that a book has to be adapted to film. You can still remain largely true to the book, but certain elements have to come into play for a movie that DO NOT exist in a book. They are two different things. I have spoken to people who have read all of the books and they also largely agree with me. The botton line is, continuity was lost with multiple directors and the first four movies were directed and constucted better for a movie. The "core audience" and "books" excuses are not cutting it for the last three movies.

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Tell that to the LOTR fans.

Huh? The Lord of the Rings movies were superbly adapted for film. The vast majority of "core book fans" loved the movies, hands down. Too bad the last three Potter movies were not. Hopefully, they get the last film right!

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the first 4 are the ones that stuck closest to the books... yes they did omit things and they did change some things but nowhere near the level of omission/changes of those that came after

That's exactly what I have heard from multiple people I have talked to who read/saw each.

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again I disagree - a lot of the 5-7 books (especially the 6th) was a LOT of inner dialogue and that is really hard to convey on screen so they HAD to change some things for the screen; and they did.
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Huh? The Lord of the Rings movies were superbly adapted for film. Too bad the last three Potter movies were not. Hopefully, they get the last film right!

most everything of any importance was in the LOTR movies from the books. obviously a lot of the books was description which is shown rather than told, but they didn't have to cut THAT much - they were pretty true to the books. Same goes for Harry Potter in a lot of ways, though they cut a lot more. The argument here is that they didn't cut or change enough, but I think they did and then some.
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+1. I like 'em all too.



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I'll agree there is fluff but the movie is about 2 1/2 hours. Unless you feel most of it is fluff, I don't see how it could have been coupled into one movie without people getting antsy (and of course the studio wants to make as much bucks as they can).

But I haven't read the books either so maybe Part 1 is fluff in the book too?
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first half of the book is nicknamed by fans as "the long camping trip". It's even longer in the book. It's supposed to convey a sense of dread and despair.
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If people feel the camping trip in DH is "long", what are they going to feel about the trip in The Way Back ?
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I admit I'm a grown man and a huge fan of these films.
I wonder how many people are going to have "Harry Potter Marathons" when the last film is released on BD?
I know I am and have penciled in Thanksgiving weekend 2011.
Makes a Lord of the Rings EE marathon seem like a drive-thru at Sonic

 

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I admit I'm a grown man and a huge fan of these films.
I wonder how many people are going to have "Harry Potter Marathons" when the last film is released on BD?
I know I am and have penciled in Thanksgiving weekend 2011.
Makes a Lord of the Rings EE marathon seem like a drive-thru at Sonic
I think you underestimate the 11 hours of LOTR.... it's not that different.
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I think you underestimate the 11 hours of LOTR.... it's not that different.
the HP films so far are 17.5 hours (with credits) add a bit if you have ultimate editions

and since i don't see a runtime on imdb for part 2 we can assume another 2-2.5 hours
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I admit I'm a grown man and a huge fan of these films.
I wonder how many people are going to have "Harry Potter Marathons" when the last film is released on BD?
I know I am and have penciled in Thanksgiving weekend 2011.
Makes a Lord of the Rings EE marathon seem like a drive-thru at Sonic
I'm going to do a marathon also when theyre all finally released on blu

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the HP films so far are 17.5 hours (with credits) add a bit if you have ultimate editions

and since i don't see a runtime on imdb for part 2 we can assume another 2-2.5 hours
fair enough. I actually did the 2 EE's and premiere of ROTK in 2003 in a theater - 12 hours!
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fair enough. I actually did the 2 EE's and premiere of ROTK in 2003 in a theater - 12 hours!

And that's without considering the EE version of ROTK.

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And that's without considering the EE version of ROTK.

true - but we got a half hour break between each one, so hence the extra time.
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To those who may have missed it, my post was more than a little tongue in cheek.

So ~20 hours vs. ~11 hours run time.

LOTR EEs can be done in one looong day pretty handily with breaks etc., as long as you don't hit the cocktails too early(speaking from experience here)
I think when we did it we started about 9:30 and finished by midnightish.

I think it's obvious that a HP marathon would have to be split onto a 2 dayer.

 

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Did the last Harry Potter bluray HPATHBP have any additional content that was retailer exclusive like this film has from BB?
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I've been revisiting the films, having taken advantage of the recent bargain pricings. Conclusions:

The first was a little worse than I remembered
The second was a little better than I remembered, but both the first and the second really wore their welcome out before they were over
The third was great, easily the best of the bunch I have recently viewed, though much was left out
The fourth was better than I remembered, a better movie than the book was a book
The fifth was almost as good as the third
Haven't revisited the sixth yet, but was pretty bored in the theater
Thought part one of the seventh was pretty gripping, and the best part of Deathly Hallows is in the second half of the book

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I think it's obvious that a HP marathon would have to be split onto a 2 dayer.

either that or a 1 day marathon "sponsored" by [energy drink here]
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I wonder how many people are going to have "Harry Potter Marathons" when the last film is released on BD?

Well...I would count as one.

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Well...I would count as one.

I would count as one also

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Same here. It'll be a Harry Potter weekend.

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Did the last Harry Potter bluray HPATHBP have any additional content that was retailer exclusive like this film has from BB?

Not a "whole disc" like this one. We just watched it (the bonus disc) last night; there's a 45-minute sort of "BBC TV" special that's pretty good, and then a 20-minute sort of "First Look" (but NOT HBO) special that's mostly repetitive. My guess is this content will eventually be included in an all-inclusive 1-7 movie set but probably not available separately (or again with part 2).

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Tell that to the LOTR fans.

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Huh? The Lord of the Rings movies were superbly adapted for film. The vast majority of "core book fans" loved the movies, hands down. Too bad the last three Potter movies were not. Hopefully, they get the last film right!

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most everything of any importance was in the LOTR movies from the books. obviously a lot of the books was description which is shown rather than told, but they didn't have to cut THAT much - they were pretty true to the books. Same goes for Harry Potter in a lot of ways, though they cut a lot more. The argument here is that they didn't cut or change enough, but I think they did and then some.

I think some people are forgetting the heated "Scouring of the Shire" arguments...
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I think some people are forgetting the heated "Scouring of the Shire" arguments...

Yeah duh.
There were whole sections left out or changed and parts were added there were not in the books.

Whether or not someone likes or dislikes the Harry Potter films is immaterial to me but at the least you should recognize that Steve Kloves has written the screenplays for all but OOTP.
Kloves and Rowling have an extremely close working relationship and beyond that, if there was anything in any of the films that Rowling wanted in or out or whatever, it would be done.
If you think that certain films have been "ruined" by the director, he is 3rd in line at best in influence.
If you don't like what is being presented, blame the author first.

As they have progressed the books have also gotten a lot longer.
I would have been ok with 2-parters starting with OOTP but that is a totally unrealistic proposition and even still there would be people sniveling about the studio milking the consumer.

Are there things about the Potter films that disappoint me?
Absolutely and several of them. HBP should have been longer and concentrated more on the book Harry found but to dismiss them as failures is really not justified.

Overall these films have been wonderfully made and equally as important, brilliantly cast.

 

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