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Part 2 of this interview with David Keighley of imax talks about the process of framing Tron. Basically, it was shot in 1.78, with effects completed to 2.35, & out to 1.78 for select scenes Kosinski wanted to open up.

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Basically, it was shot in 1.78, with effects completed to 2.35, & out to 1.78 for select scenes Kosinski wanted to open up.

We knew that already (I mentioned it a few pages back when I posted a link to an interview with the director about the IMAX process). Does anyone really think this wasn't done to be an IMAX gimmick?
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We knew that already (I mentioned it a few pages back when I posted a link to an interview with the director about the IMAX process). Does anyone really think this wasn't done to be an IMAX gimmick?

I don't think anyone ever disagreed that it was shot with uniform cameras & chips/stock throughout; I just feel that the shifting AR doesn't necessarily make it an IMAX gimmick, anymore than the scenes in 1939's Oz are a "Technicolor gimmick".

I prefer to think of it as "this is the way the director prefers the film to be seen", & I'm glad the ratio switch made it to disc.

If you don't wish to view it that way, then crop it in the display or in the computer (as nexus did). It's easier for you to do that than for me to make up content that wasn't encoded!
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I don't think anyone ever disagreed that it was shot with uniform cameras & chips/stock throughout; I just feel that the shifting AR doesn't necessarily make it an IMAX gimmick, anymore than the scenes in 1939's Oz are a "Technicolor gimmick".

I prefer to think of it as "this is the way the director prefers the film to be seen", & I'm glad the ratio switch made it to disc.

If you don't wish to view it that way, then crop it in the display or in the computer (as nexus did). It's easier for you to do that than for me to make up content that wasn't encoded!

I guess what I mean is that the director probably said to himself, "Wow, I want to do something like 'The Dark Knight'" and then decided to just leave a few scenes un-cropped for the IMAX presentation. Then, people will go, "Oooooh it has IMAX scenes like 'The Dark Knight!' And it's in 3D! We will definitely have to see it in IMAX now!" and so on and so forth. If the director thinks his story is being told better with that unnecessary extra headroom on the open-matte shots, I guess that's his business, but it's really nothing more than a cheap attempt at capitalizing on what 'The Dark Knight' did, but it's worse because the scenes weren't even shot at a higher resolution and the framing is really awkward. Pretty sure that in David Keighley's interview, he even said something about the 'TRON Legacy' director wanting to do something like 'The Dark Knight.'

When I hear directors "want to do something like" an ultra-successful movie, and it's done as cheaply as this (just leaving some scenes un-cropped instead of shooting them at a higher resolution), I just can't support it - especially when it ends up looking as pointless and distracting as it does. If I ever thought I would watch the movie more than a couple of more times, I would buy it, rip it, and then crop it myself that way I can enjoy the whole thing in 2.35:1, but luckily, this issue doesn't really affect me because I don't care to see the movie many more times (I basically just want to see it once at home on Blu-ray in all of its DTS HD-MA glory).

But alas, I'm not too bothered since I don't care to purchase this film. I just hope that in the future when more directors take part in the shifting aspect ratio thing, that they handle it more like 'The Dark Knight' did, and less like 'TRON Legacy' did. That's all.

P.S. Some of the 1.78:1 shots look pretty good - but it's mostly the establishing shots and shots that show off the scenery (the scene that's 38:35 into the movie, for instance). The 1.78:1 shots of characters talking are the really distracting ones.
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When I hear directors "want to do something like" an ultra-successful movie, and it's done as cheaply as this (just leaving some scenes un-cropped instead of shooting them at a higher resolution), I just can't support it - especially when it ends up looking as pointless and distracting as it does. If I ever thought I would watch the movie more than a couple of more times, I would buy it, rip it, and then crop it myself that way I can enjoy the whole thing in 2.35:1, but luckily, this issue doesn't really affect me because I don't care to see the movie many more times (I basically just want to see it once at home on Blu-ray in all of its DTS HD-MA glory).

I see your point, and to some degree I agree with you... I think BOTH films (TDK & Tron) are a bit haphazard in their implementation of it. I mean, what decides the AR switch? Action scene? Effects? Scenery? As I mentioned previously, I admire the way it was done in films like Brainstorm... Brother Bear... Galaxy Quest... much more method to the madness.

But either way, put it on the disc the way the director wanted it!
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I see your point, and to some degree I agree with you... I think BOTH films (TDK & Tron) are a bit haphazard in their implementation of it. I mean, what decides the AR switch? Action scene? Effects? Scenery? As I mentioned previously, I admire the way it was done in films like Brainstorm... Brother Bear... Galaxy Quest... much more method to the madness.

But either way, put it on the disc the way the director wanted it!

I'll agree with that. It was clever with 'Galaxy Quest.' And yeah, it should definitely go on disc the way the director intended - I just wish that the director intended differently! lol!

Long story short, a heavy "effects" movie like this would have looked better if it was all in 1.78:1 - if it were framed properly for it. It just feels like half of the movie was cropped to 2.35:1 just so they could advertise that the other half of the movie has "IMAX scenes." Had the whole movie been 1.78:1, then nobody would make a big deal about the "IMAX scenes" because it would be "normal." As soon as the shifting aspect ratios come into play, now those un-cropped scenes are dubbed "IMAX scenes." If the whole movie were un-cropped, they wouldn't say the whole movie was an "IMAX movie." That's my problem with this.

But, it is what it is.
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Apparently that kind of marketing's been going on a long time:

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Publicity for the film (as well as its opening credits) mentioned the Technicolor but not the black-and-white or sepia, thus making it sound as if the entire film had been made in color.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wiz...Oz_(1939_film)
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Apparently that kind of marketing's been going on a long time...

Hahaha wow. Didn't realize it's been going on THAT long.
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I saw tron in 3d IMAX about a month ago. Went during the week in the early afternoon and was still a little surprised that I was all alone but that made it all the better. I just monkeyed up the rows til I found goldilocks's seat...yup juuuust right. it seemed like this was one of the few movies where IMAX was appropriate since everything in that world was huge. I wasn't disappointed. The sound was awesome and thought it was cool that the 3d didn't start until he was in the computer world. Now if I can just find someone to give me the scratch to put a huge addition on my house so I can have my own IMAX theater. Think I'd put it at the end of the house facing my neighbors with their little, constantly barking wiener dogs...and just not bother soundproofing that wall.
Til then I'm cool with my 58" 3d Samsung.
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Watched the blu last night. Reference all the way.
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Watched the blu last night. Reference all the way.

There isn't a grinning smilie big enough to express my joy at your post.

Did you by chance also watch the original Tron Blu-ray? Comments?
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More opinions on various forums are all very very positive about this BD. And I bet a very very low percentage of folks will be concerned about the AR shift.

This will be in heavy rotation on my HT and I cannot wait till I purchase it.
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More opinions on various forums are all very very positive about this BD. And I bet a very very low percentage of folks will be concerned about the AR shift.

True. Still, I don't like it. It doesn't add anything to the film and it's a bitch for 2.35:1 users. Made worse by it appearing to just be a gimmick AR shift with this one.

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True. Still, I don't like it. It doesn't add anything to the film and it's a bitch for 2.35:1 users. Made worse by it appearing to just be a gimmick AR shift with this one.

For reasons unknown they do not include the seamless branching option for 2.35:1. It's not true to the Tron from 1982. It's basicly a slap in the face.
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True. Still, I don't like it. It doesn't add anything to the film and it's a bitch for 2.35:1 users. Made worse by it appearing to just be a gimmick AR shift with this one.

Of the imax shifting films what was the movie where it was not a gimmick??
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Of the imax shifting films what was the movie where it was not a gimmick??

It's not so wrong. We're only human after all.
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There isn't a grinning smilie big enough to express my joy at your post.

Did you by chance also watch the original Tron Blu-ray? Comments?
I didn't sorry to say. Didn't get the mega-disc collection, only the 2-disc Legacy version.

Enjoy!
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Of the imax shifting films what was the movie where it was not a gimmick??
In no way am I defending AR shifting, but at least TDK actually used IMAX cameras.

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I'm a big all or nothing person when it comes to this fad.
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Can someone PM me the online retailer that is selling this early. Please.
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I'm not judging anyone, but I suspect that retailer is a bit-torrent tracker
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No, its an actual retailer, based out of New York, that's all I know. They are selling it early.
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Never really thought the scoring would be any lower for the quality of this BD:

http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/TRON-L.../18434/#Review

If there is one just to get for PQ and AQ regardless of the movie content, I still say this be it.
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never really thought the scoring would be any lower for the quality of this bd:

http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/tron-l.../18434/#review

if there is one just to get for pq and aq regardless of the movie content, i still say this be it.



Yessssssssssss! Not there was any doubt.

Now where's the Tron (original) reviews?
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Never really thought the scoring would be any lower for the quality of this BD:

http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/TRON-L.../18434/#Review

If there is one just to get for PQ and AQ regardless of the movie content, I still say this be it.

"I do wish seamless branching had been used to afford viewers the option of choosing between Tron Legacy's alternating aspect ratios and its fixed-ratio theatrical presentation."

Slightly odd quote in that the theatrical presentation WAS alternating aspect ratios.
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Pretty sure the AR shifting was an IMAX gimmick.
It was constant scope when I saw it.
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Wow, those larger AR shots look truly awful
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The new Sound & Vision has a review on the 3G Tron Legacy bluray. They said it looked great.
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"I do wish seamless branching had been used to afford viewers the option of choosing between Tron Legacy's alternating aspect ratios and its fixed-ratio theatrical presentation."

Slightly odd quote in that the theatrical presentation WAS alternating aspect ratios.
Only in IMAX theaters or what passes as IMAX today. Everyone else saw it in scope, 2-D and 3-D.
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