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BTW, it will be interesting to compare the opening credits and prologue text between the DVD and Blu-ray. Will the text have a green tint on the Blu-ray? It is, after all, the fashionable trend when it comes to Blu-ray transfers!

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Doubt it, I see relatively neutral, bright whites in those shots; something entirely absent in FOTR.

Considering how far removed both color grades are from the ungraded footage in that youtube clip, I don't think one could say the old one looks like the dust bowl and the new one doesn't.
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I somehow managed to completely forget about Roger Deakins 2010 comments regarding a new master. So it would seem apparent that the Blu-ray's new color timing is what he wants. Fair enough. But I still think some of the Blu-ray shots just look wrong (unnatural).

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Again, I'd have to give this one to the DVD. The trees are golden (toward the red side) while the foliage on the Blu-ray appears to be too yellow-green. Sort of an unnatural yellow-green, actually.

Looks to me like orange vs golden yellow.
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I somehow managed to completely forget about Roger Deakins 2010 comments regarding a new master. So it would seem apparent that the Blu-ray's new color timing is what he wants. Fair enough. But I still think some of the Blu-ray shots just look wrong (unnatural).

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I think the old timing is too "dusty". The whole image is practically a brown blob: http://img832.imageshack.us/img832/5...1118201305.png
The new timing has a nice rich old timey look that fits but isn't drastically different

I'll compare the BD to HDNet HDTV when I get it.
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I think years of watching cable and DVD encodings that are far too red overall have caused a lot of Blu-ray transfers to be unnecessarily maligned.

The SD colorspace forces compromises when transferring film to video. In addition, I believe far less care was taken in following directors' and DPs' intentions during DVD authoring than is typical today for Blu-ray. I have a suspicion that what we're seeing in a lot of Blu-ray transfers is closer to the original film (or intended look) than what DVD provided, but because the new presentation different, many assume it's wrong.
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i think the old timing is too "dusty". The whole image is practically a brown blob: http://img832.imageshack.us/img832/5...1118201305.png
the new timing has a nice rich old timey look that fits but isn't drastically different

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42041 provided a link to an early computerized postproduction article on another forum:

http://www.swdfx.com/PDF/Dig_Cinema_Take2.pdf

Here's an O Brother, Where Art Thou before/after comparison from that article:




That image definitely reinforces the idea that Deakins wanted stronger yellows and greens. Here is that same scene from the DVD:




It will be interesting to see how close the Blu-ray comes to matching the image in that article. I suspect its going to be a lot closer.


Well, I can admit when I was wrong. All of the evidence surely does point toward the Blu-ray colors being closer to what Deakins wanted, even from the start. It looks like the DVD is the version with the inaccurate colors.

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Good to know. It will take a little getting used to this look, but I can deal.
I'm just glad that it's finally being released. I don't own it in any format and I've been waiting the last couple of years for it to hit blu.
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Yeah, looks like you're right. I guess that's what we get for only having a "wrong" example to view all these years.

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All of the evidence surely does point toward the Blu-ray colors being closer to what Deakins wanted, even from the start. It looks like the DVD is the version with the inaccurate colors.

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Normally the case, isn't it?

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Normally the case, isn't it?

There are exceptions! --> Link

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When I saw Oh Brother in the theater, the colors were bizarre to say the least, but it was the intended effect. As I recall, some of the color was obtained in post production, but in some cases they actually painted the foliage to get the yellows instead of greens. On the big screen it was striking, incredibly yellow, and you could actually hear the audience reacting in some scenes.
IOW, it didn't look real, and wasn't supposed to.

Here's hoping the BD recreates that effect.

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Watch the "Painting with Pixels" feature on the DVD. It has several before and after shots of the color shifts. (which are also very washed out on the DVD where they were not in the actual film) Also important to note that the original film negative is useless for a new transfer. The transfer would have to come from a later film transfer from the digital elements. Unless they went back to the actual digital elements for this release.
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Unfortunately, you're right.

I often wonder if monkeys have been trained to have the responsibility for the BD format at some of the studios.

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in some cases they actually painted the foliage to get the yellows instead of greens. On the big screen it was striking, incredibly yellow, and you could actually hear the audience reacting in some scenes.
Wow, I did not know this....

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"Sepia"!
It was digitally taken too golden brown.
There was a BIG deal about it when it was released & that's how it looked in the theater.
(not prefect, of coarse; were talking 2000 digital against 30's chemicals)
It was a period piece & they wanted it too look the part.

What do we get?!?!
2011 TEAL!

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I think the old timing is too "dusty". The whole image is practically a brown blob: http://img832.imageshack.us/img832/5...1118201305.png
The new timing has a nice rich old timey look that fits but isn't drastically different

I'll compare the BD to HDNet HDTV when I get it.

I watched my old HDNet recording the other day and it's transfer is bathed in brown. I really like the look but will still pick up the BD with it's new timing.

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Amazon delivered my copy today. Can't wait to check it out.

Watched Raising Arizona last night and thought it looked great. Plenty of grain intact and the colors were more vibrant than I remember from my old nonanamorphic dvd.

O Brother, Where Art Thou and Raising Arizona are two of my favorite movies so this month has been great.

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Amazon delivered my copy today. Can't wait to check it out.

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Oh, yeah - major color difference with the Blu-Ray. I just compared the scene where they pick up Tommy Johnson at the corner roads in the cornfield @21:12ff. The corn is brown in the DVD and golden yellow in the Blu-Ray. Flesh tones look much better in the Blu-Ray, too. So far I like it!
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How is it possible that this is in stores already, but DVDBeaver has the only review on the internet
Not sure what the folks at BV are thinking, sending a lone screener to a site that takes crappy, inaccurate screenshots that do more harm than good
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Watched it last night and while it's soft in places, it is nowhere near the level of softness that DVDBeaver's screenshots would suggest.
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The North American version was released today. It will not play in my Sony BDP-S780. It will play on my PS3 and Panasonic DMP-BDT310 though.

I've tried turning off Blu-ray internet and erasing the stored memory without luck.
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I'm pleased to say this BD looks fantastic. For the first time ever we can see the colors as they were meant to be seen. Agreed that it's not the sharpest film ever, but grain is intact and it's a very faithful representation of how it looked in theaters. This is a must-have for fans of the film. Audio is less than impressive, mainly a front-focused presentation but again it's faithful to the original.

Expect yellows, lots of yellows, and slightly over-exposed. Which is what they were after.
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I'm pleased to say this BD looks fantastic. For the first time ever we can see the colors as they were meant to be seen. Agreed that it's not the sharpest film ever, but grain is intact and it's a very faithful representation of how it looked in theaters. This is a must-have for fans of the film. Audio is less than impressive, mainly a front-focused presentation but again it's faithful to the original.

Expect yellows, lots of yellows, and slightly over-exposed. Which is what they were after.

+1. Now the DVD looks dingy by comparison.
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HDNet | Blu-ray



Sorry did this quickly since I need to sleep but I used eric.exe shots as my reference. I used CinemaSquid's I-frame extractor so the shots would be accurate but then I could not get the exact frame match.. Good enough for an early comparison I hope.

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Thanks for those shots. I wish they did a new scan, but at least it looks more natural and unsharpened than the old transfer.
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Yeh I don't think it looks that bad. We all know those early digital intermediates were kinda dodgy (LoTR Two Towers etc), so with that in mind it looks okay.
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Watched the Blu last night. I echo the previous comments. OBWAT looks FANTASTIC on Blu-ray. Not once did I feel I was watching a soft image. And the colors never felt "wrong". In fact, it was a delight to actually have some color yet it still retained the "old-timey" look.

Fans can upgrade to the Blu-ray with confidence! If you are a fan, and you don't upgrade, well... that's just dumber than a bag of hammers!

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One thing to note: The BD is missing the "Painting With Pixels" feature that was on the DVD.
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