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post #91 of 458 Old 09-05-2011, 01:56 PM
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I too was at the showing of THE SAND PEBBLES. Screen size met expectations. Sound was too loud. Print was too dark. Otherwise I enjoyed seeing TSP on the 'big' screen again. Too bad Fox has not gone to the expense of restoring the long version.

Regarding BEN-HUR. I hope that they have a large screen at ATH since the OAR of 2.76 may make any 'normal' size screen seem extremely small.
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Tulley Hall will need to set up a special screen for this presentation.

Right but will they?

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The lack of screens that are wide enough to accomodate the anamorphic 70mm prints was a problem right from the inception of the format and I fear that this may also lead to problems with the proper presentation of the 4k DCI of Ben Hur. The screen real estate occupied by Ben Hur in most venues will probably be less than for any of the more common widescreen aspect ratios (2.35, 2.40, 2.20) which is unfortunate.

Let's hope that at least there will be proper masking in place.
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Let's hope we start getting some screen shots soon!

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Let's hope we start getting some screen shots soon!

A guy on blu-ray.com posted some not-quite-1080p shots that look pretty nice:
http://forum.blu-ray.com/blu-ray-mov...ml#post5206929
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Yep even from those smaller screenshots that is looking amazing, can't wait for this

I just ordered the single disc version from UK. Really don't want all the extra baggage.
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Looks unbelievable!

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Odd, one review (from a DVD release) had a ratio of 2.78:1 and another DVD (in the same review) had a ratio of 2.76:1.

http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film/dvdcompare/ben-hur.htm



So it's interesting to me there seems to be more info on the film than what is intended to be shown???

Also, IMDB says 2.50:1 is "recomended." What ever that means.

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I 've had the BD box for a couple of days but had the time to watch only the first 45 minutes or so. It's gorgeous, as wonderful as you expect it to be. I have never seen the movie in a proper theatrical presentation, but I am ready to bet the BD, though wonderful, could not compete with 'the real thing'. But don't worry, this release is a definite winner. Even more so when you have just watched the Star Wars BD before that!
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will this be rent-able anywhere?
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My wife and I will be attending the Lincoln Center screening. Will post a report here after.

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My wife and I will be attending the Lincoln Center screening. Will post a report here after.
Thanks, we will be awaiting your report. Please try to find out what equipment is used for the projection if you can.

Does anyone know of other showings? It is an incredible shame that this film will have what may be its final moment of public excitement without significant theatrical exhibitions, which should have included 70mm of course.
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I 've had the BD box for a couple of days but had the time to watch only the first 45 minutes or so. It's gorgeous, as wonderful as you expect it to be. I have never seen the movie in a proper theatrical presentation, but I am ready to bet the BD, though wonderful, could not compete with 'the real thing'. But don't worry, this release is a definite winner. Even more so when you have just watched the Star Wars BD before that!
Having seen Ben-hur multiple times under "perfect" conditions during its original release, it is going to be hard for me to get too excited about even a Blu-ray treatment on my 10 foot screen. It is sad that the theaters no longer exist (by and large) that would do this film justice.
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Having seen Ben-hur multiple times under "perfect" conditions during its original release, it is going to be hard for me to get too excited about even a Blu-ray treatment on my 10 foot screen. It is sad that the theaters no longer exist (by and large) that would do this film justice.
True IMAX theaters should do more classic 70mm showings, shame they are a niche thing.
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It would be nifty even on a big scope screen with 4K projection, if one sits closer. Too bad WB (to my knowledge) isn't doing special screenings of the restoration in a national theater chain, like Sony did for Taxi Driver.
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But don't worry, this release is a definite winner. Even more so when you have just watched the Star Wars BD before that!


I read the Blu-ray Star Wars source was what they used for the DVDs from some years ago with some tweaks for the Blu-ray. 1.9K scans?

It's probably why Ben Hur looks better with it's proper scan for Blu-ray.

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True IMAX theaters should do more classic 70mm showings, shame they are a niche thing.

Unless I'm mistaken, wouldn't Ben Hur, properly projected at its 2.76 AR, appear severely letterboxed on (true) IMAX's narrow 1.43 AR screen, making it less-than-ideal? Most, if not all modern scope (2.35) movies are cropped to approximately 1.85 for IMAX presentation.

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On a gigantic REAL IMAX screen, it would be mind blowing. On the LIEmax screens, yeah, it would be very thin.

I am going to the October 1st screening, though all of the best seats wee gone before tickets even went on sale. I'll be all the way in the fricking back. Hopefully whatever screen they set up will be huge and wide.

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Unless I'm mistaken, wouldn't Ben Hur, properly projected at its 2.76 AR, appear severely letterboxed on (true) IMAX's narrow 1.43 AR screen, making it less-than-ideal? Most, if not all modern scope (2.35) movies are cropped to approximately 1.85 for IMAX presentation.

Harry Potter wasn't. I wouldn't mind if it was projected in 1.85 instead

2.76 seems a bit thin even for a real IMAX me thinks
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True IMAX theaters should do more classic 70mm showings, shame they are a niche thing.

IMAX is basically a 133 presentation. The image can be impressive, but it is very different than the wide, enveloping sense the audience gets from processes like Camera 65 (aka Ultra Panavision 70) that Ben-hur was filmed in. Beginning with Cinerama, that sense of surrounding the viewer with an image was very important.

Putting Ben-hur into IMAX would result in a very narrow image that would look odd on an IMAX screen. Cropping it to "fit" the IMAX screen would criminal (even cropping to 185 would be the wrong thing to do).

The Seattle Cinerama Theatre is having a 2+ week Cinerama/70mm film festival. This is one of the few theaters that can do this kind of presentation correctly, and the only one that really does 3-panel Cinerama right. Get there if you can, this is a lost art that will probably cease to exist altogether in a few years.
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IMAX is basically a 133 presentation. The image can be impressive, but it is very different than the wide, enveloping sense the audience gets from processes like Camera 65 (aka Ultra Panavision 70) that Ben-hur was filmed in. Beginning with Cinerama, that sense of surrounding the viewer with an image was very important.

Putting Ben-hur into IMAX would result in a very narrow image that would look odd on an IMAX screen. Cropping it to "fit" the IMAX screen would criminal (even cropping to 185 would be the wrong thing to do).

The Seattle Cinerama Theatre is having a 2+ week Cinerama/70mm film festival. This is one of the few theaters that can do this kind of presentation correctly, and the only one that really does 3-panel Cinerama right. Get there if you can, this is a lost art that will probably cease to exist altogether in a few years.

Looking at in70mm they had a few imax theaters listed showing 70mm blow ups
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RL thanks for the heads up on the Cinerama fest!
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DVDBeaver review is up - didn't realise this was split over 2 discs.

It looks great!!
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For being split over two discs they still held back on the bitrate. 10GB free on the first disc and the second isn't even a BD50. And of course they could have easily consolidated it and the entire third extras disc, since that was apparently also a BD25.

Looks pretty nice though (DVDBeaver's softened screencaps notwithstanding.)
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God damn it looks like it was shot yesterday
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Oh very nice. Even with the JPGs, the amount of detail is obvious. I don't see any wax, either! DOP! (Day one purchase!)
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Q: Can this movie get here fast enough?

A: No, this movie can't get here fast enough.

I can't wait for this one.

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Makes Spartacus look even sorrier
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I've just finished watching Ben Hur (1959 version). Great movie, great transfer, great edition. Definitely deserves the highest recommendation. Those who have not seen it yet are in for a treat.
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