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post #181 of 1995 Old 07-12-2011, 08:13 AM
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Oi! Waterworld is a fine movie, The HD-DVD was better but still poor

I bought the BD when it was on sale at Best Buy a few weeks back. It seemed like I was watching a DVD loaded with edge enhancement!

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I bought the BD when it was on sale at Best Buy a few weeks back. It seemed like I was watching a DVD loaded with edge enhancement!

As did I, I just picked it up hoping that buying it cheap may inspire the extended cut out of the woodwork
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These need to look top notch and film-like if I buy them. I'm tired of Universal's catalog titles usually looking like crap and Jurassic Park is one of those that needs to look good given it's a "dinosaur popcorn flick" trilogy.

I'll take medium notch, but since Jurassic Park is one of my favorites I am living in fear that it may be an ugly blu-ray.
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I bought the BD when it was on sale at Best Buy a few weeks back. It seemed like I was watching a DVD loaded with edge enhancement!
I love quotes like these.

BTTF was a little harsh, but I didn't notice any glaring halos.

As for the Digital Noise Reduction, they cleaned up the nighttime shots a little too much, but other than that, I don't see any wax figures.

To those of you that actually prefer those HDTV shots, Universal would have been universally panned if they presented that on Bluray. Instead they presented a fixer uper, and got great reviews by every single professional review I've read.

Colors looked good, the print is clean, contrast looks good, if not a little hot. And they went a little over board on the DNR on nighttime scenes, and possibly over sharpened it just a tad.

Overall, the Bluray still looks great, not a "DVD with EE".
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To those of you that actually prefer those HDTV shots, Universal would have been universally panned if they presented that on Bluray. Instead they presented a fixer uper
And they would've deserved it. The HDTV transfer is an old piece of crap. The Blu-ray transfer is an old piece of crap that's been sharpened. What was needed was a new, modern transfer.
If there's a studio to break Spielberg's record for excellent blu-rays, it's Universal, and I ain't preordering anything until I see 4K/OCN remastered goodness.
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Instead they presented a fixer uper, and got great reviews by every single professional review I've read.

And that's part of the problem. This is disgraceful:

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There hasn't been a decent Universal catalog title in MONTHS. All of them show manipulation or tampering of some kind.
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And that's part of the problem. This is disgraceful:

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1) I would hardly call that "disgraceful". Let's not be over-dramatic. The latest Predator release is disgraceful. This is merely a subpar effort. It's a lazy release, not one worthy of the movie. It's not a reason for someone really wanting these movies to not buy them, though.

2) That's a JPEG image. You've got nothing valid to say if you're going to post downrezzed stills in a lossy format.
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Instead they presented a fixer uper, and got great reviews by every single professional review I've read.

No such thing. Bluray reviewing is an amatuer sport and those who partake don't necessarily know any more than average joe posting in a number of forums.

It's not about wanting the HDTV transfer, and it's not about wanting a "fixer-upper". It's a about wanting a modern scan that looks like the actual film elements. That's all. Bluray isn't about making movies look like nice TV. It's about presenting them accurately.
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I'm not buying these if they look like BTTF. These need to look top notch and film-like if I buy them. I'm tired of Universal's catalog titles usually looking like crap and Jurassic Park is one of those that needs to look good given it's a "dinosaur popcorn flick" trilogy.

I'm more into audio than video, so unless they look worse than the DVD's I'll get them for the lossless tracks. Plus I never got the "corrected" JP disc on DVD. Still only one the first movie, though.

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1) I would hardly call that "disgraceful". Let's not be over-dramatic.

2) That's a JPEG image. You've got nothing valid to say if you're going to post downrezzed stills in a lossy format.


Yes, that evil JPEG, always adding edge haloes and smearing detail into oblivion. Curse the day you were invented, JPEG!!!!

How anyone can look at that image and not call it a complete and utter fail is beyond me. I certainly wouldn't want them as the arbiter of what is or is not acceptable for this format.
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There bttf 1 master before rapage while not wonderful did look like film and was shown at AMC theaters. The Blu-ray however was smushed vertically and then had a ton of DNR and EE applied and I do mean a lot like slathered.
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1) I would hardly call that "disgraceful". Let's not be over-dramatic. The latest Predator release is disgraceful. This is merely a subpar effort. It's a lazy release, not one worthy of the movie. It's not a reason for someone really wanting these movies to not buy them, though.

2) That's a JPEG image. You've got nothing valid to say if you're going to post downrezzed stills in a lossy format.

It's not downrezzed and it's sourced from a .png. It's barely using any compression at all. The .png I have merely timed out when I tried to upload it.
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It's not downrezzed and it's sourced from a .png. It's barely using any compression at all. The .png I have merely timed out when I tried to upload it.

The very nature of JPEGs is what is being questioned, i.e. its quality. The PNG timed out because of its size which is a function of the data which is a function of the detail in the image.

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The very nature of JPEGs is what is being questioned, i.e. its quality.

Have at 'er: http://www.landofwhimsy.com/archives...-uncompressed/

Gamereviewgod, the image is showing up as 1280x720, at least on our end.
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I'm more into audio than video, so unless they look worse than the DVD's I'll get them for the lossless tracks. Plus I never got the "corrected" JP disc on DVD. Still only one the first movie, though.
This is exactly me, here. Well put, sb1. I hope they get the audio right on this one. I'll still take the other sequels though.

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What am I missing here? If you want to talk about Back to the Future, there's a thread for that. Let's not speculate that Jurassic Park is going to look the same way. We don't know that.

I DO remember that Jurassic Park was supposed to be on HD-DVD a long time ago, but it never happened. It will be interesting to see if we have an older encode, or a new one. Or even a new transfer or even a master for that matter.
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There hasn't been a decent Universal catalog title in MONTHS. All of them show manipulation or tampering of some kind.

I thought Legend was a pleasant surprise.

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What am I missing here? If you want to talk about Back to the Future, there's a thread for that. Let's not speculate that Jurassic Park is going to look the same way. We don't know that.

oh come on that's the way these threads work. for that matter, that's how forums work. if everyone only posted what they knew, threads would be 1/10th as long as they are.
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I thought Legend was a pleasant surprise.

Legend looks really good and the caps I've seen for Brazil look good. I'll give them credit for that but every other Universal title I've seen sucks.
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Legend looks really good and the caps I've seen for Brazil look good. I'll give them credit for that but every other Universal title I've seen sucks.

Exactly. All Universal releases suck... except for the ones that don't.

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Exactly. All Universal releases suck... except for the ones that don't.

Universal's "best" is other studios' "average". Merely not sucking on rare occasions does not make them worth defending to me.
To my knowledge they don't have a single catalog blu-ray that looks as good as the best from Paramount, Fox, Disney, Sony, Warner, and Criterion.
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Hot Fuzz would only technically count as a catalog blu-ray for Uni, since they didn't make the switch until '08. For all intents and purposes, that's a new release title.
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Exactly. All Universal releases suck... except for the ones that don't.

You're right. I forgot about Traffic. That's a 4 star transfer right there (or should that be 720 stars?).
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Legend looks really good and the caps I've seen for Brazil look good. I'll give them credit for that but every other Universal title I've seen sucks.

I guess Legend was as good as the source elements permitted: I was a little underwhelmed with the resulting quality.

It annoys me that too many films no longer have good source elements: these are artworks that should be preserved for the enjoyment of the public, not allowed to deteriorate into oblivion just because the studio doesn't think they can make enough money from them.
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BTTF was a little harsh, but I didn't notice any glaring halos.

As for the Digital Noise Reduction, they cleaned up the nighttime shots a little too much, but other than that, I don't see any wax figures.

You must be blind.
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Seems to be a lot of BTTF bashing.

I just finished watching those films, after picking up the trilogy for 14.99, and all three looked fantastic, whats the beef????

OMG, are you serious?? The fact alone, that you do not see a difference between the three, says it all.
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I've been a BTTF nut my whole life, and while I'd love to sit here and praise the Bluray transfers, I simply can't. Part II and Part III especially. Anyone who tells you that the movies look fantastic on Bluray may not have a keen enough eye to see the horrible digital manipulations done to those films. For $15-$25 it's not a bad deal, but the BTTF films desperately need a proper remaster.

With that said, I have no doubt that the first two Jurassic Park films will look just how Spielberg wants them to. None of the Spielberg directed films have looked anything short of outstanding given the source material/intent.

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OMG, are you serious?? The fact alone, that you do not see a difference between the three, says it all.
I had the great experience of watching a film, BEFORE COMING ON AVS, and what do you know, I was able to enjoy it.

Usually I come here first, read tons of negativity that trains my eye to look for certain things, which I of course then see, and then am disappointed.

Maybe I should start watching a movie first more often, I sure seem to enjoy the film more that way. But then I would end up buying movies like Patton, which was done so horribly it sickens me.

All I remember on my first viewing of all 3 is that they cleaned up the night time scenes too much resulting in some wax figurine looking faces, and that the overall picture has a slight sharpened look. But neither of those 2 things bugged me all that much, and overall I enjoyed it very much.
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JP will be the BD that will put 7.1 lossless audio on the map.

I bet there will be a ton of people who will be upgrading to 7.1 HT setups.

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