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This is one truly "wtf-moment". I just saw that Stalingrad was released on Blu-ray in Sweden today. It's in stock and there hasn't been any anouncement at all and it wasn't there yesterday. Well I've ordered mine and it will arrive on monday. I'll give you screens and bdinfo.





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No english subs.
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I've only heard about this film in passing, but have wanted to see it...definitely let us know about that region bit.

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Wow! I'll await your report with thanks.

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if you come across region free with english subs let me know... i'm tired of non-anamorphic DVD
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I've only heard about this film in passing, but have wanted to see it...definitely let us know about that region bit.

Saw many years ago.
Very good, as I recall.

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One of those movies that I cannot remember if I have seen it or not
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I just got it. Haven't seen it but looked it through quickly. Looks like it has a bit of DNR but looks good overall. Not fantastic but not bad either. There are details and good colors. I can do a DVD/Blu-ray-comparison tomorrow.





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I just got it. Haven't seen it but looked it through quickly. Looks like it has a bit of DNR but looks good overall. Not fantastic but not bad either. There are details and good colors.

Good catch! There was an extended cut recently aired in HD in Germany. From the rips I've seen of that, it suffered from some moderate DNR too.
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Those screen shots look way better than the DVD version.
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Confirmed region B.

I've seen it now. Good video but still it's pretty DNR:ed. Audio is good aswell.
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is this movie in English?
I can't remember.
are there English subs if so?
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is this movie in English?
I can't remember.
are there English subs if so?
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It's not in English and there are no English subs- sorry. The arrival of this release does bode well for other international releases that may feature subs, though.

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I was thinking of picking up a copy on SD DVD because I want the film in my collection. Any idea when this will be available on blu-ray? The DVD will end up costing $30, a newly released BD would probably not be that much.
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I was thinking of picking up a copy on SD DVD because I want the film in my collection. Any idea when this will be available on blu-ray? The DVD will end up costing $30, a newly released BD would probably not be that much.

and the DVD is non-anamorphic
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....The arrival of this release does bode well for other international releases that may feature subs, though.

I concur. I'll be watching the U.K. for one. I'd bet it releases there before North America. I really doubt it'll release in the U.S. , period. Europa, Uropa is the only hope, I suspect...??? The film doesn't have much traction in the U.S. I could picture Criterion or TwiLight Time getting a hold of it's rights, maybe...?

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A Region A Stalingrad BD is theoretically due out next Tuesday, January 8. A cursory check doesn't turn up anything with regards to specs, so for all we know it could simply be a port of the Swedish BD with English subtitles...

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The BD.com screens look dire.
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Review: http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Stalingrad-Blu-ray/58583/#Review


Video
Video codec: MPEG-4 AVC
Video resolution: 1080p
Aspect ratio: 1.85:1
Original aspect ratio: 1.85:1

Audio
German: DTS-HD Master Audio 2.0
English: DTS-HD Master Audio 2.0

Subtitles
English

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50GB Blu-ray Disc
Single disc (1 BD)

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Region A (B, C untested)
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This is a fairly good movie.
However, I don't know if it is worth $25....

For a better movie about the Battle for Stalingrad, try Enemy at the Gates:
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I've never seen Stalingrad on film but judging by the DVD, it's a gritty, ugly looking film. I sure don't wanna pay $25 for it. If it's on sale for some less, I'll buy a copy. I don't think that Enemy At The Gates is a better film but it does have stars that I like and lays out the Russian system well. I've watched Enemy At The Gate more recently than Stalingrad. My memory about Stalingrad may be a bit rusty...?

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I've never seen Stalingrad on film but judging by the DVD, it's a gritty, ugly looking film. I sure don't wanna pay $25 for it. If it's on sale for some less, I'll buy a copy. I don't think that Enemy At The Gates is a better film but it does have stars that I like and lays out the Russian system well. I've watched Enemy At The Gate more recently than Stalingrad. My memory about Stalingrad may be a bit rusty...?
It's been awhile since I have seen it too.
I am not sure if I am willing to devote a couple of hours to watching it again....

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Enemy was too Hollywood melodrama for my taste. It also neglected the broader battlefield issues/perspective.

Ordered Stalingrad. It should be gray, gritty, dark and nasty. Paulus was incompetent and didn't have the decency to shoot himself when promoted. Unimaginable horror for German troops. One of his troops should have saved a bullet and shot him before he could surrender. Traitors and cowards do not deserve to live.

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Paulus was incompetent and didn't have the decency to shoot himself when promoted. Unimaginable horror for German troops. One of his troops should have saved a bullet and shot him before he could surrender. Traitors and cowards do not deserve to live.
Hmmm....that's not the way I read the history of the Battle of Stalingrad.

The Sixth Army was surrounded, cut-off from supplies of men, material, and food.
None of that was the result of anything Paulus did.

Paulus was promoted to Field Marshall by Hitler right before the city fell when there was no chance of a German victory or relief from Berlin.
Hitler did this cynically, hoping Paulus would shoot himself because a German FM had never been captured in battle.
As we know, that didn't happen.

If one of Paulus's men had shot him, under German law HE would have been a traitor.wink.gif

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For a better movie about the Battle for Stalingrad, try Enemy at the Gates

I can't disagree more.

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From the German perspective there is plenty of fault to go around for Stalingrad but Paulus is primarily responsible for the debacle.. Paulus allowed his forces to be flanked by the Russians and then placed weak supporting axis troops to protect that flank. Zukov eventually encircled them and they were finished. Paulus is blamed by most historians for the loss of the 6th army.

A Field Marshal does not surrender. As he sat in his bombed out HQ it was obvious the fool was going to surrender. One of his officers should have put him out of his misery at that point. Instead he sucks up to the filthy red army and becomes a "celebrity".

From a operational perspective Rommel should have been supplied properly and allowed to drive through Egypt and the middle east eventually coming at the reds from the south. Army group center should have taken Moscow by September. They were 80 miles away on July 16th.

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I can't disagree more.
Sorry, I should have been more precise....
Enemy at the Gates is a better movie set within the back-drop of the Battle of Stalingrad.
EatG isn't really about the BATTLE of Stalingrad....

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From the German perspective there is plenty of fault to go around for Stalingrad but Paulus is primarily responsible for the debacle.. Paulus allowed his forces to be flanked by the Russians and then placed weak supporting axis troops to protect that flank. Zukov eventually encircled them and they were finished. Paulus is blamed by most historians for the loss of the 6th army.
A Field Marshal does not surrender. As he sat in his bombed out HQ it was obvious the fool was going to surrender. One of his officers should have put him out of his misery at that point. Instead he sucks up to the filthy red army and becomes a "celebrity".
From a operational perspective Rommel should have been supplied properly and allowed to drive through Egypt and the middle east eventually coming at the reds from the south. Army group center should have taken Moscow by September. They were 80 miles away on July 16th.
Not being "Aryan" I am glad the Nazi's failed. Yet I am fascinated by fact that world domination was in their grasp.
I don't want to side-track this thread...so I won't continue this line of conversation.wink.gif

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Sorry, I should have been more precise....
Enemy at the Gates is a better movie set within the back-drop of the Battle of Stalingrad.
EatG isn't really about the BATTLE of Stalingrad....

I still can't disagree more.

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I still can't disagree more.
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From the German perspective there is plenty of fault to go around for Stalingrad but Paulus is primarily responsible for the debacle.. Paulus allowed his forces to be flanked by the Russians and then placed weak supporting axis troops to protect that flank. Zukov eventually encircled them and they were finished. Paulus is blamed by most historians for the loss of the 6th army.
A Field Marshal does not surrender. As he sat in his bombed out HQ it was obvious the fool was going to surrender. One of his officers should have put him out of his misery at that point. Instead he sucks up to the filthy red army and becomes a "celebrity".
From a operational perspective Rommel should have been supplied properly and allowed to drive through Egypt and the middle east eventually coming at the reds from the south. Army group center should have taken Moscow by September. They were 80 miles away on July 16th.
Not being "Aryan" I am glad the Nazi's failed. Yet I am fascinated by fact that world domination was in their grasp.

Paulus was to take Stalingrad, cut the Volga and support the left flank of Army Group A. The real objective wasn't Stalingrad at all, it was the oil fields in the Caucasus. Stalingrad turned into a meat grinder largely because of Hitler. A test of will verses Stalin over a piece of ground that only had symbolic value. The Germans threw away their biggest superiority, moblie warfare, for a street fight they were ill prepared for given the unlimited supply of Soviet Manpower. Paulus stripped his flanks, as you stated, but not because he was an idiot. He was ordered to take the City at whatever cost. Stripping his flanks was the only option available.

Any rational person would have concluded that the German position was untenable by the end of November and a fighting withdrawl back toward Rostov was the proper move. It wasn't Paulus that continued to believe the Soviets were on the verge of collapse. It wasn't Paulus that made the decision to hold Stalingard to the last man and make no effort to break the encirclement as Manstein approached. It wasn't Paulus that believed Goering when he said he could supply the 6th Army by air.

In order to hold Paulus as accountable as you suggest, he'd have to be the one calling the shots for Sixth Army. On a strategic level neither he nor the General Staff had any latitude at that point.
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Originally Posted by egrady View Post

Paulus was to take Stalingrad, cut the Volga and support the left flank of Army Group A. The real objective wasn't Stalingrad at all, it was the oil fields in the Caucasus. Stalingrad turned into a meat grinder largely because of Hitler. A test of will verses Stalin over a piece of ground that only had symbolic value. The Germans threw away their biggest superiority, moblie warfare, for a street fight they were ill prepared for given the unlimited supply of Soviet Manpower. Paulus stripped his flanks, as you stated, but not because he was an idiot. He was ordered to take the City at whatever cost. Stripping his flanks was the only option available.
Any rational person would have concluded that the German position was untenable by the end of November and a fighting withdrawl back toward Rostov was the proper move. It wasn't Paulus that continued to believe the Soviets were on the verge of collapse. It wasn't Paulus that made the decision to hold Stalingard to the last man and make no effort to break the encirclement as Manstein approached. It wasn't Paulus that believed Goering when he said he could supply the 6th Army by air.
In order to hold Paulus as accountable as you suggest, he'd have to be the one calling the shots for Sixth Army. On a strategic level neither he nor the General Staff had any latitude at that point.
Absolutely correct....history bears this out in black and white.
Stalingrad was the Nazi's "a bridge too far."wink.gif

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