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Yep. And that's even taking into account some people who bought copies to flip later on eBay
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Even if it takes five years?

Try 18months.

Of all the films TT has put out this is their killer App.

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Try 18months.

If it takes 18 months to sell 3000 copies, they'll likely conclude both the price and the quantity made were justified.
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Just watched my copy today. $30 well spent!
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Just watched my copy today. $30 well spent!

And that's it. A GREAT film.
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Right now, there are at least 3 E-Bay sellers hawking this disc. One has 4 priced at $59.99, one has a single copy at the same price. A third has 3 copies for...you better sit down...$84.99.

This title is now available on Amazon for $34.95 from a third-party seller named... Screen Archives Entertainment.

http://www.amazon.com/Fright-Night-B...3964938&sr=8-4

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Screen Archives frequently sells their product at Amazon, with the prices adjusted up slightly for the cut Amazon takes out of each sale. Which is why it's cheaper buying through their own site by a few bucks.
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I will never buy anything from Screen Archives ever again after having recently waited a month for an order to arrive to no avail and I had to request a refund.
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The price and fact that it was a limited edition was kinda aggravating, but as much as my wife and I love the original FRIGHT NIGHT, I went ahead and bit the bullet. My copy arrived within a couple of days. Can't wait to watch it.

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This title is now available on Amazon for $34.95 from a third-party seller named... Screen Archives Entertainment.

http://www.amazon.com/Fright-Night-B...3964938&sr=8-4

Um, OK...but that wasn't what I was talking about.

I was talking about the inflated pricing on E-Bay when they are still very much available for $30 on the SA web site.

BTW: the guy selling them for $89 has lowered the price to around $59. The sale history shows he sold one copy after accepting a lower (unspecified offer) and rejecting two others.

I have a feeling these folks aren't going to get the jackpot they thought they would.
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BTW: the guy selling them for $89 has lowered the price to around $59. The sale history shows he sold one copy after accepting a lower (unspecified offer) and rejecting two others.

I have a feeling these folks aren't going to get the jackpot they thought they would.

That tells me it's not close to selling out. Why pay extra if you can get it at "retail"?
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Um, OK...but that wasn't what I was talking about.

I was talking about the inflated pricing on E-Bay when they are still very much available for $30 on the SA web site.

BTW: the guy selling them for $89 has lowered the price to around $59. The sale history shows he sold one copy after accepting a lower (unspecified offer) and rejecting two others.

I have a feeling these folks aren't going to get the jackpot they thought they would.

I'd say buying to resell at a profit (and there is nothing inherently wrong with that .. ) .. is a long term commitment ..

The idea that some think this is price gouging is incorrect .. raising the price of gas during an emergency situation, or water, or other essentials, is price gouging ..

Buying goods to resell at a profit is business .. and you must have a willing buyer to make it work ..

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That tells me it's not close to selling out. Why pay extra if you can get it at "retail"?

I think that any sales that have occurred are likely due to someone not realizing where the retail store is.

For what it's worth, doing a Google search for "Fright Night 1985" didn't turn up a link to Screen Archives until midway down the second page of listings. Granted, I saw several links to reviews that likely would have a link to their site, but even the Amazon.com link was for the remake. I'm pretty sure that if Amazon was the actual seller, it would likely be in the top 3 returns in the search.

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I'd say buying to resell at a profit (and there is nothing inherently wrong with that .. ) .. is a long term commitment ..

The idea that some think this is price gouging is incorrect .. raising the price of gas during an emergency situation, or water, or other essentials, is price gouging ..

Buying goods to resell at a profit is business .. and you must have a willing buyer to make it work ..

I fully agree.

I'm not saying these people don't have the right to do so. I'm just saying they're morons to not wait longer to see if it sells out and potentially make more off it then.

The fact that the one seller wanting over $80 had to reduce his price means demand isn't matching up to supply at this point. In other words, those that really want the movie have likely already bought it from Screen Archives. If people are actively looking for this particular movie, they probably have figured out where to buy it by now - even if they had to work a bit to do so. The guy who would buy it if he stumbled upon it somewhere probably doesn't know it exists and isn't looking on Ebay for it.

Further, even if someone is worried about buying from SA, then I'm not sure hitting up E-bay is somehow safer.

Me? I'm not worried if I miss out, so I can afford to wait it out and see if the SA price comes down a bit. If they sell out before then, so be it. This is merely a "like to have title" for me, not a "must have".
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try Fright Night 1985 blu ray on Google .. anyone that pays the inflated eBay price has not done a search ..

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Um, OK...but that wasn't what I was talking about.

I was talking about the inflated pricing on E-Bay when they are still very much available for $30 on the SA web site.

BTW: the guy selling them for $89 has lowered the price to around $59. The sale history shows he sold one copy after accepting a lower (unspecified offer) and rejecting two others.

I have a feeling these folks aren't going to get the jackpot they thought they would.

My point was, anyone actually paying those eBay prices obviously doesn't know how to shop around.

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I have a feeling these folks aren't going to get the jackpot they thought they would.

Once the 3000 copies sell out they will. But they may have to sit on the disc a while until that happens.
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I promise you, if they sell out of all 3000. Twilight Time or Image will make more.

OK. When has this ever been done by anyone in the history of this format? Do you honestly think TT would completely break their business model for a movie with a tiny, tiny cult following just to move a couple thousand more copies at best? We're not talking about the Godfather here... I think you're hugely overestimating the popularity of this movie. It's not like all orders were filled the day it went up for preorder, it's been up for order for several weeks and they still haven't moved 3,000 (which in the grand scheme of things is a tiny, tiny number in the home video market.) They'd never be able to advertise a "limited edition" again... which seems to pretty much be the backbone of their business plan.

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OK. When has this ever been done by anyone in the history of this format? Do you honestly think TT would completely break their business model for a movie with a tiny, tiny cult following just to move a couple thousand more copies at best? We're not talking about the Godfather here... I think you're hugely overestimating the popularity of this movie. It's not like all orders were filled the day it went up for preorder, it's been up for order for several weeks and they still haven't moved 3,000 (which in the grand scheme of things is a tiny, tiny number in the home video market.) They'd never be able to advertise a "limited edition" again... which seems to pretty much be the backbone of their business plan.

Your promise isn't worth much I'm afraid.

Exactly, although you miss the most pertinent point - if they made another 2000 units they'd be sitting on them for the next three years.
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The fact that the remake tanked really hard despite decent reviews and a good cast especially in this supposedly vampire friendly age (where if the cast of twilight farts for two hours straight it will still make 200 million dollars) speaks volumes. As much as we may love it and consider it superior, the market for the original just isn't there anymore.
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As of yesterday the Fright Night BD is down to the last 500 copies as per Screen Archives latest news letter. Also, as per their website:
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I think that 3000 copies, on a worldwide basis, is hideously small. It's the polar opposite of an ambitious marketing plan. Even adding another zero and making 30,000 would be a small, limited production run. I think that Screen Archives set their goal far too low.

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Being locked into 30 for an older title has put off the majority of potential buyers. Only hard core fans like us will bite. No pun intended.

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If only 500 copies are left, it would seem that it's not overpriced.
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Being locked into 30 for an older title has put off the majority of potential buyers. Only hard core fans like us will bite. No pun intended.

Exactly... They will never know how many they might have sold to a wider audience at a lower price. The only people likely to pay that much are the people who are regulars on forums like this... And if we are the only customers for home video, home video would die by Christmas!

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If only 500 copies are left, it would seem that it's not overpriced.

Impossible to say... There are almost always a small faction "willing to pay anything" to get something they think is or will be rare.

Some of the same people in this very thread who were "happy" to pay $30 are no doubt some of the same people who don't buy a new release without a coupon, or wait for Black Friday sales... So I think things are skewed a bit when you have a limited release that only the small online contingent even knows about.

Imagine IF the Target, Wal-mart, Best Buy crowd knew of this release and if the price was just $20... Who is to say how many more copies might sell?

Also... Considering that we know some people have bought extra copies as "investments", the fact that there is still ~ 16.6% of the run left might mean they are not selling well at all.

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Impossible to say... There are almost always a small faction "willing to pay anything" to get something they think is or will be rare.

Some of the same people in this very thread who were "happy" to pay $30 are no doubt some of the same people who don't buy a new release without a coupon, or wait for Black Friday sales... So I think things are skewed a bit when you have a limited release that only the small online contingent even knows about.

None of that contradicts what I said; in fact, it confirms it. 83% of the copies gone in 4 days? No way TT execs are saying to themselves "we overpriced this thing".
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If only 500 copies are left, it would seem that it's not overpriced.

And how many did the $15 dollar version sell?
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I don't mean to lessen anyone's satisfaction with their purchase. I'd never knock anybody for paying whatever premium they can afford for something they love, not even here. But there's no way this title would only sell 3000 copies, if produced for mass retail. Sorry, but this is just another case of HD still being exploited as a niche market.

This is the equivalent of home video extortion. I haven't seen any indication the company put the kind of effort into the actual film or disc that unquestionably deserves a premium price. And if consumer interest is their justification, there's plenty of far less renowned, lower interest titles from Anchor Bay, Blue Underground, and any number of independent, yet quality distributors, that no doubt have lower interest, yet much lower prices.

How low do you think a company's actual authoring and replication costs have to be to make it worthwhile to produce a disc limited to such an abysmally small number of sells at 30 bucks a pop? If ANY catalog title as well known as this one, with all the free press it would no doubt be getting from the remake, had such low consumer interest as to move only a few thousand copies, then all the digital proponents are right and packaged media is much closer to death than it would otherwise seem. Similar catalog titles were already selling in the tens of thousands several years ago, when the format was still just getting started.

Fright Night isn't one of my all-time favorites, but I remember this movie very fondly. I would have grabbed it day one, if not for the way it's being marketed for die hard fans only - those who love the movie so much that they would pay nearly any price they could possibly afford - and casual fans with deep enough pockets that 30 bucks is like 3 to the rest of us.

I'm still trying to figure out the likelihood of a mass retail release in the foreseeable future. It seems slim, considering now would have been the best time. So, while I still haven't completely ruled out paying the inflated price, there's no doubt in my mind that the company chose to market it this way, as opposed to having to or were in any way justified in doing so, due to percieved popularity. So, if I do break down, it'll no doubt come with a feeling of guilt, the same feeling of being taken advantage of when anything is being overpriced due to higher demand than supply. What makes this so bad is because, in this case, the short supply has been deliberately manufactured.

This is a bad business model on the same level as Echo Bridge cramming 4 movies onto a single disc, even when those 4 movies only cost 10 bucks after competitive retail discounting. Their business model goes to the opposite extreme, but neither is worth encouraging, much less celebrating. We don't need any more Criterions, but in Criterions defense, at least most of the films they put out actually ARE lower profile movies from other countries that most consumers have never even heard of before. And even their stuff benefits from fair market competition.

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